routes In Index WA

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Isn't that Preying Mantle not Tai & Randy?

I still have scars on my wrists that make me look like a suicide survivor from leading Rattletale.

There wasn't a soul anywhere-upper or lower wall. I don't think we ever saw anyone else during any of our journeys up there.

Ghost, I think part of the problem with Index exploration is that there really hasn't been a guide to the whole area that is done in laymans style.

Couple that with the fact that most of the climbing at Index is quite hard, even the moderates, and you end up with most people just sticking with the known variables

Squamish has pretty much the same weather and is a "destination" area so I am not so sure that the weather is the reason

What's really weird about Index is that although the Lower Wall and the Davis-Holland area of the Upper Wall are now almost always so crowded that virtually every route has a line-up, most of the Upper Wall areas, and often many of the little sub-crags, are still empty.

Strange, so much rock...

By far the best rock climbing in the Pacific Northeest.

Obviously, you've never been to Peshastin!

Steve...Squamish isn't in the Pacific Northwest. It's in Canada which for them would be the Pacific Southwest.

Here’s few more shots of Index in the 70’s….

Dave Anderson and I tried to free Japanese Garden in the summer of 1975. We both took a swing at it but neither of us was willing to commit with only hexes for protection in the wide section. Once again, there wasn’t a soul to be seen or heard. These shots are of Dave Anderson-another good friend gone......

any bouldering up there? is that near the illegal whorehauser land near mineral? i need to get on a 5.7 slab before the weather,

If you can't reach Mastadon PM me and I can put you in touch with Don.

But I cannot seem to find the message system on this site. Where do I find it?

Click on a poster's avatar, top left, beside the post. That'll pop up a profile, in which the bottom line says "Member-to-Member Messsages" There is a line following, which usually says "Yes, you can send me a member-to-member email." If so, then look at the top right, where there will be a button that says "Send Email to Jon Nelson"

But be aware that half the time the message either somehow doesn't go through, or the person set up his/her account years ago, using an email address that s/he no longer remembers having, let alone ever checks.

And btw, thanks for the saw.

Did I give you one of those Japanese cleaning tools?

Still need to get in touch with that slippery Mastadon fellow?

Today it's my turn: "I cannot seem to find Coal Mountain. Where do I find it?"

We spent hours and hours in that maze of logging roads. Got some nice views, but never got near anything resembling anything in the Cumberland Crags descriptions.

And just like Godot, that clear view of your objective simply never arrives...

Never been there.

I know that Peter Croft did some hard free climbing in that area of the wall, and before him, Mark Moore, but I don't know conclusively who done-did it.. Maybe Pat Timson? He did a lot of that stuff and was never one to talk about it.

I don't know if the rest of you noticed it, but Honnold's back breaking accident a few months ago happened on Godzilla. He was lowered off a rope that was too short. Actually I know Ghost noticed it 'cause he commented in that thread. I know accidents happen everywhere, but it weirds me out and of course makes me sad when famous, awesome and inspirational climbers come to the cascades and get stove up or worse. I'm thinking of Craig Leubben, too.

Speaking of Ghost, he's also commented on the zoo that Lower Town Wall and even Inner Wall have become, even on week days.

About the LTW crowding...

I suppose I should do a TR about Zeke's. I'll try to do that in late October when I've got a bit more time. Until then, the best I can do is post a couple of pictures (yeah, I know, I posted one of them before) and hope it will encourage someone to turn off the remote, and do something different.

Have any of you headed up to the cliffs west of Steven's Pass down Tye road, or alternately from the western terminus of Skyline Ridge? I was keeping them quite for a while, but I think they are unlikely to be developed by me ;-) . I walked up in that area a couple times and they actually were reasonable in both approach and apparent difficulty. I never climbed there, though.

I'm leaving out a gory photo of -not-me- the consequences of judging the descent incorrectly. It kind of took the wind out of my sails, although no permanent damage was done physically just emotionally.