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WBraun
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Dec 30, 2005 - 12:33pm PT
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Excellent Rajmit .......
I've been really really waiting for this to get going big time. I hope they keep investigating this intensely by the third parties. The real rascals will be revealed and the world will be very very shocked by the real truth.
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426
Sport climber
That one arete, HP40, AL
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Dec 30, 2005 - 12:33pm PT
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"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda," Bush said...
http://tinyurl.com/azpnn
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dirtbag
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Dec 30, 2005 - 12:38pm PT
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Many of the same people who accuse the government of general incompetence also claim that the same government is able to stage an elaborate hoax/conspiracy. You can't have it both ways.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Dec 30, 2005 - 12:38pm PT
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Rajmit, I have never been a believer in conspiracy theories, as such. I didn't view the video your link led to, though if I have time over the weekend I might (I'm on DSL so it isn't as painful as dial-up), but I'd imagine that it postulates that Bush knew about 9/11 beforehand.
As much as I don't like the guy and as much as I'd like to see him go down (but not on Monica), along with that clever scumbag Rove, I just can't believe that he'd known about anything prior to the event (tragedy).
Primarily because of the look on his face when he was told about it in that Florida classroom. He looked dumbfounded.
But then he always looks dumbfounded. Maybe that is his MO, he leads people to think that he is the village idiot when he reality he is... the town idiot. Perhaps he is a better actor than I give him credit for and his handlers told him to look... dumbfounded.
That said, I wouldn't put it pass some of his handlers to cook up such a tactic and outrage, what's a few thousand lives when you have an empire to build.
Edit
...and an agenda to pursue.
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Dec 30, 2005 - 12:49pm PT
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Actually, you can dirtbag. As has been revealed ovcer and over again the Bush Administration has gone to great lengths to politicize every part of the executive branch. While this doesn't do great things for competency (read: Michael Brown in FEMA or any of a zillion other agencies that have suffered a mass exodus of talent) it does amazing things for their ability to cover their ass. You don't need to do the job right if you can destroy the evidence that it was done poorly and prevent meaningful investigation of it.
Bush and Co. have turned our government into every joke the Republicans have ever made about it. It seems the old saying is true, that the more you focus on somthing the more you will eventually perpetuate its realization.
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Bilbo
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Truckee
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Dec 30, 2005 - 12:52pm PT
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This sh#t will never go anywhere............... waste of time IMO.
My thought is that the US shot down the plane over the ocean, then staged a diaster at the pentagon.
Then there is the timed explosions heard by rescue workers at the Trade Center..... That's mysterious????
I guess the real question is why and not how.
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dirtbag
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Dec 30, 2005 - 12:54pm PT
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Do you really think all of the hundreds of people supposedly involved in this would be able to keep their guilt-ridden pie holes shut for four years?
Nope. This did not happen. Al Qaeda perpetrated 9/11: end of story.
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Dec 30, 2005 - 01:01pm PT
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Read "Crossing the Rubicon" by Michael Ruppert. This is an extremely well researched book by an ex-LAPD detective. All evidence is presented as if it were before a jury - no heresay, no speculation. You can decide for yourself based on the facts. Quite mind blowing! I'm not a "conspiracy theorist" either (whatever that means). Actually, the official 19 hijacker conspiracy "theory" seems quite flimsy when you get down to it.
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dirtbag
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Dec 30, 2005 - 01:03pm PT
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Why? Al Qaeda had been attacking us for years before this. The way they pulled off 9/11 was very simple and entirely plausible given airport security at the time.
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WBraun
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Dec 30, 2005 - 01:10pm PT
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Yes precisely, it's the "dirtbags" consciousness of our world that make these kind of things possible. Without them there would be no room for illusion.
Just as the illusion that Osma is still at large .......
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Dec 30, 2005 - 01:30pm PT
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Al Queda had been planning 9-11 since the first failed attempt in 1993. I did not watch the whole thing yet but I saw footage of buildings being demoed and falling like the WTC's if they are suggesting pre set explosives consider this, why would they pre set explosives in the building? Do you know the work that would go into a presetting? extensive and next to impossible to hide. Why would they care if the buildings fell straight down?
All eye witnesses they interview on the phone who supposedly saw the missles, pre explosions, unmarked planes etc... they must be telling the truth because I heard it myself and they were talking on phone. Come on. Like I said I have not watched the entire thing yet but the "extra equipment" under the aircraft? Looks like shadows to me. The flash during the second impact. Ever seen large amounts of glass shatter and powder? Looks white and kinda like water. How do they explain the great pride that Al Queda takes in pulling this stunt off. Do they suggest we are in cozy with Al Queda? If this was a plot by our Govt. it would have to run extremely deep and cross party lines. Complete and total bullsh#t. I lost 343 brothers in that event, quit trying to stir up this consperacy BS. If you believe it there is probably nothing I am going to say to change your mind. Lets talk climbing and move on.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 30, 2005 - 01:37pm PT
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I'm not ready to point my finger at Bush definitively, but I know we're not getting all the answers, and many things were ignored by the 9-11 commission.
How come we had this big investigation of 9-11 and it never mentions:
1. The large wargames happening that day that took air resources way from NY and DC and put false blips on the radar screens. No analysis of how that affected response.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/11_20_01_911murder.html
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml
2. Money transfers ($100,000) between the Pakistani intel guy (cia equivilent) and Mohammed Atta, and the Paki guy then happened to be meeting with Tenent on 9-11. Story was widely reported then hushed up. What about "Able Danger"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20050827&articleId=867
http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/qfisi.html
3. Why were Bin Laden family members flown out of the US when nobody else was flying? Particularly while other Muslims were being jailed without charges at the same time.
4. What's the real story with Building 7? It wasn't hit. No building like that has ever fallen like that from catching fire.
5. Why did Bush lie about seeing the first plane crash into the tower live on TV before entering the classroom when no such live shot went out, and none before he went to read to the kids.
6. Why has so much critical evidence been destroyed?
http://www.avweb.com/newswire/10_20a/briefs/187259-1.html
There are a lot of bogus conspiracy theories out there about 9-11 that are easily debunked and those are ones you'll see debunked. Serious invesitigators alledge that this is disinformation put out there to make serious inquiry seems foolish. Naturally, there are just wackos out there.
We are definitely being lied to and manipulated. The only questions are how extensive the whole thing is and what lies. Bush lied to get into Iraq and thousands of US lives are lost and billions spent. He's obviously willing to sacrifice lives to do his will.
I just want anwers
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WBraun
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Dec 30, 2005 - 01:37pm PT
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Again, we see tower number 7 comes down in a very very strange way.
"The great mass of people more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a minor one." Adolph Hitler
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Dec 30, 2005 - 01:42pm PT
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But dirtbag the Nazis were incompetent (poor manpower utilization, no long-range bomber) and they also engaged in elaborate conspiracies (phony provocative acts on the Polish border to create a pretext for invading that country). Stupidity and brutality do walk arm-in-arm.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 30, 2005 - 01:44pm PT
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Osama Bin Laden used to be in the employ of the US government in Afghanistan. His family has clear busniness ties to the Bush Family. Isn't that a little weird?
Let's get the unaswered questions answered and the folks crying foul won't have anything to say.
THE US GOVERNMENT HAS ACTUALLY PLANNED TERRORIST ATTACKS AGAINST THE US. It wasn't during a GOP administration either. Sh#t happens. check out
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html
"Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war."
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Dec 30, 2005 - 01:46pm PT
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Didnt Tower 7 get any impact from the failures of the WTC's? Impact, debris plus fire, it is certainly possible for structure collapse. How many buildings have you all seen collapse due to fire?
Just how would all this be advantageous to Bush and all his buddies?
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dirtbag
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Dec 30, 2005 - 01:51pm PT
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Bruce, there is a big difference between Nazis finding co-conspirators to kill foreigners and finding Americans willing to kill thousands of Americans and who will stay silent about it for four years. The Nazis were also operating under a complete police state. That wasn't the case in 2001.
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WBraun
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Dec 30, 2005 - 01:52pm PT
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Without trying to sound like an ass-hole, please folks if you have unanswered questions about these kinds of events one must make the concerted effort to research these allegations themselves thoroughly.
Asking simple questions here for a complex event such as this shows lazyness.
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WBraun
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Dec 30, 2005 - 01:59pm PT
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Yes, read that one and many others before. All the different sides should be investigated for a thorough understanding.
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