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Mike!
Trad climber
Idaho USA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 8, 2005 - 12:21pm PT
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Remember - the huge clunky PVC Poop Tubes are NOT essential...
Use a boaters DRY BAG!
Size? A week on the wall or one night? A bag 18 inches tall & 8 inches wide is perfect for a short wall (3 nights max) any more, get a bigger dry bag.
Before you leave the ground, add a little kitty litter to the bottom of the bag. Make sure there is a clip in loop tied on.
Use a brown paper bag, NOT a tiny lunch bag! Ask the bagger at the grocery store to review their bags. Tell 'em what you're gunna use 'em for, they will be delighted to give 'em to you for free!
On the wall - tear down the edges, roll the paper into a nice "bucket" shape, tell your partner to sit on the porta-ledge and enjoy the view, but not the view of you!
Bombs away.
As part of your sh#t-tools extras, carry a little plastic bottle of CAT BOX baking soda mix. Sprinkle some in your poo-poo bag after wiping.
Triple bag your dookie (thin grocery store bags are fine, they compress well and you can carry a huge volume of 'em). Keep the air out! It keeps the package small.
Use handi-wipes and toss those in the bag.
Close the DRY BAG properly - Squeeze out the air, Roll the edges down and clip it shut.
Toss this right in the haul bag. Be prepared, it will get full! (and heavy)
STINKY? It shouldn't be... Mostly, it smells like the cat litter powder. Add coffee grounds as you progress, this may help too.
The Metolius "waste can" is basically the same thing. But this system is okay to clip UNDER the main haul bag.
important stuff
in a stuff sack :
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a - toilet paper
b - handi-wipes
c - cat box stink-down powder
d - med sized brown paper bags
e - plastic bags (take a LOT)
f - small bottle of alcohol hand sanitizer
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crotch
climber
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I use a drybag too, and don't fool yourself, sh#t smells like sh#t regardless of where you put it. "Burping" (a Brutus of Wyde term) the air out of the bag when you close it up is a sickening affair.
We hang ours under the main haulbag. It doesn't get too beat up unless you're hauling slabs.
After we top out, the sh#t bag goes on top of the haulbag under the compression strap, but outside of the collar/closure. Too much pressure on a full bag will explode the ziplocs on the inside and leave you with a wonderful mess to clean up. This is the most likely cause for retirement in my experience.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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First tried the Dry Bag on the Nose about six years ago.
The boating bag was stinkier than using a poop tube but also lighter. Later innovators added the kitty litter which probably makes things way better.
Peace
Karl
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John F. Kerry
Social climber
Boston, MA
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We used a river bag on the Nose in '99. Worked OK, but it developed a few small holes and stunk pretty bad. For some reason I declined to recycle the bag after the climb. Yes, burping it is vile.
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Lg
Trad climber
NorCaL
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I thought you weren't supposed to crap where you sleep? ;p
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The Alpine
Big Wall climber
Tampa, FL
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I too tried the dry bag - never again...... Stinkiest SOB if there ever was one. I'll gladly haul a few extra lbs to keep that stink even slightly more at bay. I can not even imagine hiking the east ledges with that foul bastard strapped to the top of your pig and right behind your head(nose). I stuffed it in my empty(full of trash) food bucket which was then put in the pig. Oh man, I can smell the baking nastiness now.......
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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You guys are sh*tting all over Mike!
But did you ex-dry-baggers actually do what Mike! suggests, which is to triple wrap your bombs in plastic grocery bags? Would that not keep the smell at bay?
[HINT] to Mike: Insert the word "plastic" into your post at the correct place so people understand what you mean - I didn't "get" it the first time
Dr. Piton uses the Wall Flower - which is nothing more than a single paper grocery bag and a handful of kitty litter. Wrapped around itself several times, it can then be tied to the end of a 30-foot-long 1/4" cord and dangled below - WELL below - you and your team. This fragrant flower grows by a petal or two each day, and manages to dry out in the sun quite effectively. It does not work well during periods of extended rain, but the occasional thunderstorm doesn't hurt.
This system works remarkably well on overhanging routes like the SE Face of El Cap, but has been well-tested on the SW Face, too, without any problems. The extra weight of the kitty litter solves the wind problem - so does careful compriming of the bags after use.
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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Apr 10, 2005 - 12:14pm PT
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You guys must really like the smell of crap. Not only that but you will actually got out and BUY a nice dry bag just to fill it full of poo.
See my post on the topic "How to build a poop tube" where I explain the BWP method that isn't a dry bag or a tube.
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akclimber
Trad climber
Eagle River, AK
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Apr 10, 2005 - 08:43pm PT
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Isn't it legal to piss off the walls? If so, just eat prunes and dried apricots and piss out of your ass.
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yo
climber
NOT Fresno
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Apr 10, 2005 - 08:51pm PT
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ak, my old boss Gary Neptune did an early repeat of the NA in the 70s or so. It was fully dirtbag style so they collected like half a haulbag's worth of apples from the Curry orchards as their main food supply. And yeah, they were pretty much pissing. He's got a hilarious slideshow/old movie footage show about it.
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akclimber
Trad climber
Eagle River, AK
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Apr 10, 2005 - 09:15pm PT
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"He's got a hilarious slideshow/old movie footage show about it. "
Now THAT I have to see. LOL!
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Apr 11, 2005 - 11:51am PT
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I'm a fan of the Waste Case.
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Mike!
Trad climber
Idaho USA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 11, 2005 - 07:36pm PT
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More from Mike!
I have used my humble boater's DRY bag on lotsa walls, almost exclusively in Zion. So, two days (times two people) of sh*t maximum. Nary a smell ever. Mostly, the cloying perfumed smell of the kitty litter dust is what graces my nostrils.
And - I deposit into a brown paper bag, then I carefully triple bag the ploppy with PLASTIC (Pete is ever the insightful editor) bags. If I'm in a good mood, I'll wrap 'em with a 4th bag. I have a shelf in my kitchen that I cram to overflowing with plastic grocery bags (you have the same shelf too, right?). I use these. So, lotsa plastic, and I try and squeeze the air out to minimize the volume.
I'll state again, I add a little kitty litter baking powder (it's in your grocery store) before the plastic bag wraps.
IN PRAISE OF THE TUBE:
I made a really tricked out PVC poop tube, and it works perfectly. Alas, it's heavy and clunky. But - on a long route on El Cap, I would dust this thing off and fill 'er up.
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Mike!
Trad climber
Idaho USA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 11, 2005 - 08:58pm PT
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(more)
QUESTION:
Any suggestions for a good "stink-down" additive to minimize that smell?
I have used Kitty-Litter deodorizing baking soda powder. It's really perfumed, and it ain't perfect.
What works? Anything better out there?
Clay Kitty Litter?
Foot Powder?
Laundry Detergent?
Cedar wood chips (like a hamster cage)?
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Larry
Trad climber
Reno NV
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Apr 12, 2005 - 09:07pm PT
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I haven't used them in a big wall context, but those WAG bag things have enabled me to actually carry my poop in a backpack while leading. A bit of a whiff now and then, but nothing overpowering. You can even throw the gelled poop into a regular garbage can, not an RV waste site.
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akclimber
Trad climber
Eagle River, AK
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Apr 12, 2005 - 09:46pm PT
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"QUESTION:
Any suggestions for a good "stink-down" additive to minimize that smell?"
Nope. But I do have some "stink-up" suggestions. Hardboiled eggs, peanuts, and beer. You will have the portaledge all to yourself about an hour later.
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JohnF
Social climber
SLC
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Apr 13, 2005 - 09:04am PT
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For scent control, go to an RV supply store and get some of the crystals that they put into the septic tank system. I prefer the pine scented stuff. It sort of smells like crap in the woods when you "burp" the bag.
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timmy_t
Trad climber
Fort Fun, Colorado
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Apr 13, 2005 - 11:08am PT
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Zardoz, the way you posted that makes it sound like YOU are doing the testing of kitty litter, hehehe. Have a good day, and happy aiming to you all!!!
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David
Trad climber
San Rafael, CA
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Apr 13, 2005 - 12:36pm PT
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Babys tend to hinder rather than help in terms of getting out and on a wall. However, easy access to products such as baby wipes is one benefit I guess.
Here's another one I discovered.
These scented bags in combination with a dry bag seem to work pretty well for disposal.
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John F. Kerry
Social climber
Boston, MA
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Apr 13, 2005 - 12:37pm PT
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"loaf of brown ass-bread"
LOL! Just about snarfed my coffee reading that one. Guess that kinda bread could have raisin chunks too, just like the Sara Lee bagels...
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