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lost flower
Trad climber
los angeles
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 26, 2008 - 05:17pm PT
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me and my buddy embarrassingly left an anchor on top of hemmingway buttress (sunday aug 17). yes, we were obviously drunk, distracted, and lost in silly thoughts. we were back in LA when we realized it. i climbed back up there this past weekend and i sadly did not find it. if you found this gear, PLLLEEEZZZEEE let us know. we'll gladly reward you for finding it. heck! i will be your belay slave for a day if you want... thanks, david
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Aug 26, 2008 - 06:18pm PT
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I would check with the guys and gals at nomads, sometimes people turn in found gear there. Also check the parks lost and found at the headquarters in 29 palms. good luck!
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Aug 27, 2008 - 03:37pm PT
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Return what? Its on my rack it's mine, that is as long as I can keep some of my lurking and disreputable partners away from it.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Aug 27, 2008 - 04:05pm PT
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typical "f*#k you" right wing mentality, and in full view too- nice!
1 thing folks of all walks agree upon:
what comes around goes around
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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Aug 27, 2008 - 04:33pm PT
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You left an anchor at the top of a climb because you were drunk? Screw the gear I wanna hear the TR!
Prod.
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couchmaster
climber
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Aug 27, 2008 - 05:53pm PT
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Booty. Chalk it up to a life lesson on extreme stupidity and drink, and a cheap one since lost gear dude lived through it despite being drunk. Had you fallen off the top, your relatives would be dividing it up right now to pay for the funeral.
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OlympicMtnBoy
climber
Seattle
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Aug 27, 2008 - 06:00pm PT
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Hehe, you better be fundraising for a decent reward to get that stuff back. It sounds like fair game. Being a belay slave is not necessarily a "reward". Good karma to someone if you get it back, but you obviously used some of your own losing it first. Keep climbing, start drinking afterwards.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Aug 27, 2008 - 07:33pm PT
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considering the long historical association between OE and climbing (and yes, several well known long time climbers who frequent JTree as well), i find any disparaging of these guys to be pretty hypocritical.
don't mussys TRs frequently show the belayer w/ beer in hand?
isn't swilliam generally in the company of golden 16ozers, well before the day is over?
should i go on and on here?
what a load of crap...
EDIT
so we're all "a community"-
...unless of course i find something that you accidentally left somewhere, and i decide that i want to keep it, and then it's every man for himself, and f*#k you very much... especially if you had a beer while you were top-roping something.
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esoteric1
Trad climber
san dieco, ca
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Aug 27, 2008 - 09:00pm PT
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im thinkin hellen hunt has it.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Aug 27, 2008 - 09:43pm PT
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note to self: never, EVER post about booty I find on the Internet.
You accidentally leave your crag pack in the lot and drive off? OK, I'll make an effort to find you. Walk off and leave something at a crag? Sure thing. Sh#t happens, right? You leave gear on a climb cause you had to bail or because you're as silly as these spuds (that anchor is impossible to miss and dummy proof (mostly) to setup) and it's called booty. Just like it has always been in the past. I don't expect to hang around the parking lot, whining, to get my gear back. I go home and take it like a man. Man up and buy new gear.
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east side underground
Trad climber
crowley ca
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Aug 27, 2008 - 09:56pm PT
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find gear on a route? it's yours.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Aug 27, 2008 - 09:56pm PT
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How 'bout a compromise? Woody gives them the same make/model(or nearest reasonable facsimile) off his rack and keeps the new stuff!?
Knowing Woody(a very little bit).I am guessing he has already contacted the gear losers and is playing "for keeps" just to rile things up here. Sure beats the hell out of political trolls.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Aug 27, 2008 - 10:06pm PT
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i basically disagree with almost all of you.
booty is typically gear that was placed and for whatever reason cannot be removed by the climbing team, so they choose to leave it behind. often a more patient or more skilled climber manages to remove the gear and keep it.
gear left in the event of an accident, a forced retreat, the need to help other climbers immediately, or whatever else is often reclaimed, albeit by an appreciative climber who is stoked to get the gear back.
you don't know the story here, neither do i.
did they miscommunicate? space out? let someone else run laps on their anchor?
i cannot say-
obviously they didn't intend to leave the gear behind, so it is just as if they left it sitting at the base.
chances are you will never find the owner, but in this case the owner has been identified, and apparently without question.
my reaction would be to happily return the gear ASAP to the owner, and hope that another climber would do the same for me-
but then i would also help an old woman across the street, and i help people put up their carry-on bags on airplanes, a wait for bikes and pedestrians when i drive, yada-yada-yada.
you live your life however you want to, i'll do the same.
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Dwain
Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
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Aug 27, 2008 - 10:16pm PT
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"Knowing Woody(a very little bit).I am guessing he has already contacted the gear losers and is playing "for keeps" just to rile things up here. Sure beats the hell out of political trolls."
WORD!!!
I know Woody a little bit more,and, I agree with Happie.
I hope you don't have too hard of a time picking that
fish hook out of your mouth, Matt.
:)
Dwain
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Bldrjac
Ice climber
Boulder
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Aug 27, 2008 - 10:17pm PT
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BOOTY!
The gear was not lost it was intentionally left behind because the climbers were stupid. Booty is gear that is left behind intentionally either because it's stuck and the original climbers are not skilled enough to remove it or because they couldn't figure out how to descend without rappeling and thus leaving it as an anchor, which still means it's intentionally left behind therefore BOOTY! If they wanted it back so much they should have gone up there ASAP and retreaved it.....Now if it was just lying in a heap at the top of the climb one could surmise they did not leave it there on purpose or if it was left in the parking lot it was also probably not an intentional act, therefore NOT BOOTY........but, gear left behind intentionally is booty. Giving it back would be a nice act of kindness but then maybe the climbers who left it there in the first place will think twice before bailing like that again if it's treated like BOOTY!
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Aug 27, 2008 - 10:48pm PT
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...and you are voting for obama!
anyone else see a pattern?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 27, 2008 - 11:03pm PT
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I think he ought to be forced to submit to the belay slave option, but only for new routeing in the summer at J Tree with Woody.
If the marches in the heat and the Mojave Greens don't have him begging, "Please just take it!"
Dodging flying flakes, detrus and dripping blood while arresting the frequent plunges will.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Aug 27, 2008 - 11:05pm PT
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I would like to hear from the gear loser to see if he got his sheeee back.
I think Woodie may be jivin said dude and will give it back. Woodie, like the rest of us on The Taco, MAY have made an error judgement or 20 in living his everyday life like the rest of us.
So Mr. W would/should not have a problem in empathizing with the gear loser.
If your 'tude is screw you...and keep the stuff...what $500 max. Not a good price to pay for yo rep. thot r. climbers were better than that....
I don't think anyone wants said person to pay the price...cause next time you will.
Radical Rocks ! As do the rest of you that watch each others back.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 27, 2008 - 11:14pm PT
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Geting so wasted that you end up building an anchor literaly 8ft from an obvious set of chains is so boneheaded that the OP should feel lucky that the worst that happened was that they lost some gear.
They also left the belay anchor in the cave behind too.
Not returning it may be an act of charity saving him from a wheelchair or worse.
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