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Jedi
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 15, 2005 - 07:28pm PT
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I'm doing T trip (3 people total)
how big should it be?
how does all that wall crapping work?
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Clayman
Trad climber
CA
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Mar 15, 2005 - 08:26pm PT
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Heres what works better than a poop tube i thought-
to poo:
best be on a ledge but a portaledge would work too, just be acurate- duct tape some some butcher paper down (double up if its gonna be huge) and go for it. Put all the toilet paper and stuff on top of the mess. then wrap it up like a burrito and use the duct tape to keep all the folds in place. Drop it into a ziploc bag and seal it. Then drop the ziploc with its new deposit into a dry bag with kitty litter it it. Keep some hand sanitizer on hand. The dry bag is the way to go-lighter and not nearly as big and clunky as the poop tube.
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StyMingersfink
climber
the 51st state.... denial
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Mar 15, 2005 - 09:19pm PT
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K.I.S.S.
The plastic grocery bags work great. The handles pull right up over the buttocks, providing a good seal and weigh next to nothing. Easy enough to do mid-pitch too if ya have to. Make sure there are no holes in them!
Do your business, wrap it burrito style, and toss it into a section of the lightest weight corrugated PVC pipe you can find. A 2' section of 3" with one end cap glued on, (the removable end cap should be teathered to your toob) worked fine for a party of 2 for 5 days with room to spare.
YMMV! Better to have a little extra room at the end of the trip than to not have enough!
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Gunkie
climber
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Mar 15, 2005 - 10:11pm PT
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I hate sharing a poop tube. I carry my own. It's only big enough for my deposits.
With that said, most of the weight in the empty poop tube is in the ends. Make it plenty long. Too short is bad.
You'll need to figure out your own technique for taking care of business :)
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John Barleycorn
climber
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Mar 15, 2005 - 11:06pm PT
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My only was was leaning tower and we did that in a day so i have never had the pleasure of using a poop tube, but i am curious about one thing. if i'm taking a leak while i take a dump, how am i gonna do that and not sh#t or pee all over my portaledge? is there some kind of trick? just wonderin'...
jb
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 15, 2005 - 11:49pm PT
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Some people don’t even need to sh-it on walls. They wait till they top out. When me and the deuce did the P.O. John never sh-it until the top. Now that’s what I call a real BURT BRONSON.
No poop tube for the Deuce.
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Mar 15, 2005 - 11:53pm PT
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Another good reason to reach the top? lol
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Gabe
Social climber
CA
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Mar 16, 2005 - 12:06am PT
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I think Mike makes the best tube I've seen/used. I know it's not top secret info but I can't remember what the piece he uses for a top is called??.......Mike? ......There is a climber out there who ties a piece of twine to the bottom of his bag and by the end of a route has about 20' of sh#t bags (one every 2 to 3 feet). This does not seem to be the better way but who am I to judge. Ha! Cheers!
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Mar 16, 2005 - 12:31am PT
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Plastic grocery bags - doubled up if need. A small bungy cord attached to each handle and wrapped over the waist. With that you'll have both hands free! It works.
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poop_tube
Trad climber
Irvine, CA
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Mar 16, 2005 - 12:42am PT
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 16, 2005 - 01:30am PT
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Don’t hang those things in the sun for a year…..true story.
Once someone hung one of these poop tubes on the fence at the Sar Cache. It was there for over a year. One day it exploded violently spewing it’s deadly contents all over the yard. I had to get the hazmat suit, gas mask and fire hose to clean up the sh-it!
Another time someone left one over by the outhouse at ranger rock. They labeled it BOMB. The bomb squad from Fresno had to come to defuse it. The park was taking no chances with how the current world in it’s volatile state can be.
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Ammon
Big Wall climber
Lake Arrowhead
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Mar 16, 2005 - 01:45am PT
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"Some people don’t even need to sh-it on walls. They wait till they top out. When me and the deuce did the P.O. John never sh-it until the top. Now that’s what I call a real BURT BRONSON."
Haa haa, Austin did the same thing. It was like 6 days.... or something. I kept asking him, "Son, are you sure you don't need to go today?"
The second we were standing on the rim, I turned around just in time to see Austin's harness fly into the bushes as he ran into the trees. LOL
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deuce4
climber
Pagosa Springs CO
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Mar 16, 2005 - 08:29am PT
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hey Werner, can't believe you remember that!! Of all things.
I think we fired up that route (the PO) so fast--wasn't it 4 days, 3 nights, no fixing--that there wasn't time to squat! I'm sure it was a good one on top though.
Speaking of modern methods, the chemical bags Metolius is marketing (the "WAG" bags)are a nice way to go for less smelly poop tubes. Pricely though...
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wildone
Social climber
the little ditch
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Mar 16, 2005 - 11:59am PT
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I was born with my poop tube. It's in my butt.
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Erik Sloan
climber
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Mar 17, 2005 - 04:31pm PT
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Bruthers, puh-lease--PVC tubes are so (early)90s. They're bulky, heavy and often cannot be coaxed from the summit.
Dry bags where an improvement. They weigh a lot less but unfortunately wear holes pretty easy on lower-angle routes(anything but the southeast face/leaning tower/right side of half dome). Some proud folks avoid this problem by putting them right in the haulbag--sounds dicey.
The best budget idea I've seen in the last couple years is a large plastic laundry detergent bottle with the spout cut out(don't remove the threads that hold on the cap), the handle takes a shoulder-length sling easy. The only bummer is you still have to handle your load pretty intimately to roll a burrito that fits in the spout.
If you've got a few bucks the Metolius wastecase is the way to go. It weights nothing and the larger opening means you can crush your cans and have most if not all of your trash and poop in one, haulbag stength, bag.
Doubling up the plastic grocery bags is the way to dump it--the latest research shows that paperbags in landfills do not show any more decomposition than plastic bags after 45 years. As for the peeing and pooping at the same time--if you hang your money over the edge of the ledge you can have your poop bags sucked up tight and still send the shower at the same time.
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poop_tube
Trad climber
Irvine, CA
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Mar 17, 2005 - 04:35pm PT
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I used a freezer strength ziplock bag with a cool easy zipper thingamajigger. I've heard about using empty 2 liter soda bottles and cutting a V in it to put in the contents then duct taping it shut. I've never tried it though.
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Melissa
Big Wall climber
oakland, ca
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Mar 17, 2005 - 05:03pm PT
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Some observations on poop vessels...
Carrying a poopy dry bag down from the summit is grim duty. They may be waterproof, but they're 'breathable'.
However, they are cheap and easy to come by, so I can get a freshy each time if I want.
Having a poop vessel with too small of a mouth means you'll have to force your morning gnarliness through. This is really unpleasant. (i.e. pay attention to this when picking out your detergent if you go that route). Similar unpleasantness happens if it's too low volume.
I got paid 30 buck to tell stories at Cafe du Nord in San Francisco last time this topic came up. A woman was googling for people who camped in unsual places to perform at their story telling club and thought the topic would be a crowd pleaser. Actually, when she explained that I was supposed to talk about camping on the rock I started pitching all of the starndard stories of big wall suffering...forced bivies, partner melt down, dehydration, etc. And she said, "All that's fine, but can you talk about crapping in a bag?"
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deuce4
Social climber
Pagosa Springs CO
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Mar 17, 2005 - 05:41pm PT
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Pretty much every slide show I ever did on big wall climbing, either the first or one of the early questions after the show would be, "how do you go to..", well you know.
Sometimes I thought if I could just wow the audience further with beautiful images of mountain views, exotic places, or local colorful people, I could avert the question, but no, never did.
(well, maybe once or twice)
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akclimber
Trad climber
Eagle River, AK
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Mar 17, 2005 - 05:55pm PT
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Ask his parents...they probably had sex or something.
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yo
climber
NOT Fresno
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Mar 17, 2005 - 07:09pm PT
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re: slitting a two-liter open and taping it close. Nope. Tried it on one looooooong wall. Actually wasn't that long, just seemed it. Even with serious amounts of duckie on there, those puppies like to burp.
I swear I'm coming full circle back to the Austin method, which I used like all rooks. Just clench down until you hit flat ground, whenever that happens. It's free, too.
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