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sprout
Trad climber
clovis, ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 17, 2007 - 01:30am PT
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Anybody know what happened? The rangers wouldn't tell us anything besides that it wasn't an injured climber. Anyone know?
sprout
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 17, 2007 - 01:37am PT
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I know, but can't tell until the official release from the higher ups.
They'll release the info by tomorrow probably.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jun 17, 2007 - 01:49am PT
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Well that must mean somebody died eh?
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jun 17, 2007 - 02:43am PT
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It could've been a political fund raiser that suddenly went wrong:
All the people that showed up held onto their munny, and shouted abuse.
So, Cheney grabbed Hillary, and they split.
Ha-ha-ha!
But, seriously, though:
Great props to the helicopter pilots who fly in and out of the Valley, a rather dangerous mission. People who get hurt, or otherwise need to be evacuated, have, at their disposal, the best pilots in the world to provide transport. The powerful Huey machines used to fly out of Lemoore Naval Air Station, operated by probably the best-trained pilot team in the world.
I saw a Dauphin-type heli (circular fuselage shroud at the tail rotor) last year. Perhaps this configuration makes more sense for mountian work.
Good work, all the way around, brave pilots. And thanks for taking the risk, which is not trivial.
When you climbers get on the Wall (trust me: you WILL be drawn to the Wall) the sight of the helicopters flying 1000-2000 feet below your feet will give you good perspective of just how high up you are.
So, have fun, and be careful.
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gonz
Trad climber
Yofukinsemite
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Jun 17, 2007 - 04:37pm PT
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heard someone died on halfdome on the cables
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Anastasia
Trad climber
California
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Jun 17, 2007 - 05:05pm PT
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Not again...
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jun 17, 2007 - 07:36pm PT
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Werner, any official word yet?
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rhyang
Ice climber
SJC
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Jun 17, 2007 - 07:51pm PT
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That sucks :(
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Anastasia
Trad climber
California
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Jun 17, 2007 - 08:21pm PT
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Should we require people to clip into the cables?
Or am I being silly with such ideas?
I walked down the cables years ago, I had clipped myself in because they scared me more than climbing the face.
I remember a few people found it funny, but I was too unnerved to be laughing.
AF
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Domingo
Mountain climber
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Jun 17, 2007 - 09:04pm PT
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Given the cost of Half Dome accidents, it seems like requiring hikers to clip in would be a good idea.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Jun 17, 2007 - 09:53pm PT
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What is the cost to society of requiring safety modifications to mitigate any imaginable danger?
I'm surpised that climbers would think that not allowing people to choose to manage their own risk would be a good idea.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jun 17, 2007 - 09:59pm PT
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Requiring everyone to clip in to go up (or even down) The Cables means you have to pay someone to make sure everyone goes with the program. Can you imagine the line to get up or down? (Uncle Virgil has his harness on backwards without doubling back his buckle and needs to be set straight before he is allowed up) It's bad enough on weekends as it is.
My guess, the cost of the occasional rescue/recovery is less than staffing an enforced safety policy.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 17, 2007 - 10:04pm PT
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Yeah, half dome cables fatality again.
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davidji
Social climber
CA
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Jun 17, 2007 - 10:12pm PT
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"My guess, the cost of the occasional rescue/recovery is less than staffing an enforced safety policy."
I'm not coming out in favor of more regulations here, but you can post a requirement, and not enforce it. It could also be a suggestion--which is a more appealing idea.
If properly publicised (on signs, website, and park literature) it would still get a lot of the people to use harness & via ferrata device (petzl scorpio vertigo or similar). Fewer accidents? Hopefully.
The lines might actually move faster because:
1. It would discourage some from doing the cable route at all.
2. Some of the people who freeze in fear with no gear would have more confidence.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Jun 17, 2007 - 10:52pm PT
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seems like the cables might benefit from a via Ferrata type treatment, where it's considered standard to wear a harness and clip into pre-installed anchors
off thread is the
interesting stuff going on in Europe in terms of growing via Ferrata popularity and some interest/development here in the states too
just a thought
tragic to hear about this
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John Moosie
climber
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Jun 17, 2007 - 11:31pm PT
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I'm with you Ekat, the cables need to be moved over. I would hate to see them taken down completely.
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G.M. Oth
Trad climber
Anywhere and everywhere
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Jun 18, 2007 - 12:26am PT
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I've never gone up the cables, but when I have come down the cables, I would always wear my climbing, or approach shoes.
Werner, you should know; How many accidents have happened on the cables due to improper shoewear?
G.M. Oth
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john hansen
climber
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Jun 18, 2007 - 12:37am PT
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I hate to say it but you could install better "stair's" between the existing cables. Hundreds of people go up there every week in the summer. It would make it harder to put up and take down in the winter, but, if you are going to have access for the public, make it maybe just a little bit safer.
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10b4me
Trad climber
Hell A
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Jun 18, 2007 - 12:43am PT
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ekat,
I think you are a great person, but have to agree with Ken M. we shouldn't have to dumb down the route to appease the masses.
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