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T-REX
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san diego, ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 24, 2006 - 12:54pm PT
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People...time-out from the other topics for a moment.
Go here http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=297228, take the time to read it...this will affect all of us!!! If this goes down, we will have allowed Golden Eagle nesting buffer zones to have been increased from the current effective precedent of 330' (endorsed by the Access Fund and pointed out to the Forest Service during negotiations), to 2,640' in all directions, and in some cases, for nests that haven't been active in over 15 years!!!
(Definitely some extremism taking place behind close doors during negotiations on this one...don't want to get too side-tracked on that topic right now...possibly once this whole thing is over with, some history can be aired if necessary)
Also, these closures are including a species (the Prairie Falcon, not the Peregrine Falcon, which itself has been de-listed) that has not previously been provided unnecessary "sanctioned" nesting protections (because they haven't been needed and they still aren't necessary), except for one location at a "State" Park in colorado (according to the Access Fund) . . . not a "multiple use" National Forest!
Go here http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/projects/sensitive-species/sensitive-animals.pdf and you will see that the Forest Service itself doesn't even list the Prairie Falcon as a Sensitive Animal Species Type.
I could go on, but please follow the original thread...let's get going on this thing...it may not affect you right now at your favorite crag, but if it's allowed to go through in it's current form we will have allowed an alarming new precedent to have been established, entering a very scary new chapter on climbing access issues.
Thanks,
jeff
p.s. probably the best way to keep this thing going is to just bump this thread instead of the other...just a thought.
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exposeur
Trad climber
santa cruz
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Dec 24, 2006 - 08:19pm PT
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bump
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Dec 24, 2006 - 08:23pm PT
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I hope Yosemite has no Eagles. We have not had Willaimson for over a year thanks to that stupid Frog. So yes they can and do close major climbing Sites.
JDF
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T-REX
climber
san diego, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2006 - 07:52pm PT
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bump!
Wake-up people, "...pay attention to your freedoms, or they may be lost."
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Ksolem
Trad climber
LA, Ca
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Dec 25, 2006 - 09:13pm PT
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The other thread concerns a specific area. T-rex is trying to point out that if this becomes precedent many areas can be affected.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Dec 25, 2006 - 10:36pm PT
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The reason I'm asking is that it seems to me that T-REX covered that very eloquently in the other thread when he/she wrote this:
"Unfortunately, we are talking about potential future access restrictions to potentially very large areas of public lands (think numerous overlapping nests with a restriction of 500 acres each, and think outside of our little brush covered slopes here in San Diego...think large conifers where 80% of golden eagle nesting occurs). What we are talking about is a legal precedent to close off multiple areas of our National Forest AND other public lands (did I mention that our forest service, under the management of the USDA, is working with our local BLM, under the Department Of The Interior, to legally establish closures on El Cajon Mountain). Restrictions like this affect everbody, be they climbers, hikers, backpackers, mountain-bikers, horseback riders, or off-road enthusiasts alike!"
I'm curious why the original post of this thread couldn't be incorporated into the other thread.
If EVERY topic on the front-page had two threads, the front page could only hold half as many topics.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Dec 25, 2006 - 11:13pm PT
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Its Humans that are endangered.
I give us 20 years at most.
JDF
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T-REX
climber
san diego, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 26, 2006 - 12:32am PT
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I really am very sorry for the confusion!
I posted "this" thread in an attempt to get people who otherwise wouldn't have taken the time to check out the "other" thread to do exactly that. I didn't post the original thread with the title "ACCESS ISSUE - San Diego County", Josh did in hopes of getting this important issue out in front of people.
Unfortuneately, we felt it wasn't getting the attention it deserves since folks may be passing it by, thinking it didn't pertain to them unless they lived in San Diego. When Josh and I spoke about changing the title of the original post to catch everyone's attention he was on his way out of town and didn't have the time to do it and wasn't sure it was even possible...does anyone know, can the original title be changed?
So again, I apologize for the confusion. My original post here attempted to distill a few of the most relevant points and then link everyone to the specifics of the original post by Josh.
We're trying to get the attention of as many climbers as possible. We don't have much time, this does affect all of us, and we need to respond to this access threat as forcefully as possible and with as unified a voice as possible.
Since you are apparently reading this right now (whomever you may be), let me throw out an update: Yes the Access Fund is working on coming up with a "formal" response...I'm guessing it will be made public sometime after the 1st. If you're the type to follow the AF's position on every access issue, than by all means wait to send in your comments. If you are not, than please visit the original post to find out what is going on with this whole thing.
Lastly, if any of you know how the origial post could be blended into this one in order to have the information of both under one roof (preferably with this post's title, obviously for the reason stated), I would very much appreciate some assistance!
Again, VERY sorry for the confusion...thanks!
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ladysmith
climber
san diego, ca
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Dec 31, 2006 - 01:49pm PT
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Bump
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