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Mike
climber
Orange County CA
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Jan 27, 2003 - 01:10pm PT
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A low pressure system always lies in wait off the coast...when I gas up, it moves in for the ambush. I'm sure the weather gods are logging onto ST Forum like the rest of us.
I have no intention of going to Yosemite. None. Zero. Dum-de-dum dum...
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Charlie
Trad climber
Bronx, NY
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Jan 27, 2003 - 01:31pm PT
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I'm envious. It's 18 degrees farenheit in the Bronx today; I haven't been to the Gunks in a month. I look forward to a trip back to the Bay Area in mid February where I spent the past six years and where I started to climb. If the weather keeps up back there I may try to get in a trip to YV.
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Nor Cal
Trad climber
San Mateo
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Jan 27, 2003 - 06:52pm PT
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Just got back from my third trip of the month.
I dont know about the t-shirts in the shade, unless your resting between laps on Short Circuit...
I thought my lips were going to freeze off on the hike in on Sunday, but I shed layers while climbing.
I think the key is knowing where to climb.
I am always looking for people to hook up with, if any one is upto braving the cold, drop me an email.
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pighumper
climber
Bay Area
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Jan 27, 2003 - 09:25pm PT
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Climbed Saturday. Was nippy in the morning but I was cooking by mid day. There was no one in the Valley, probably due to the "Super Blowout".
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Jody
Mountain climber
San Luis Obispo County, CA
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Jan 27, 2003 - 09:26pm PT
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Dingus...should have come over to Squarenail on 168 toward Shaver Lake. I was climbing there this weekend with a cool guy I met through ST, Dave Loring. It was about 70 and sunny, just above the fog. Squarenail is only about 30 minutes from Table Mountain. It has definitely been warm this year on the west side.
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John O'Connor
Big Wall climber
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Jan 27, 2003 - 09:50pm PT
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God bless global warming!!! Saved my butt on el cap this winter. It was hard to find the sun tan lotion under my plastic boots.
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Jody
Mountain climber
San Luis Obispo County, CA
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Jan 27, 2003 - 11:13pm PT
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Yep! God bless global warming! Especially the global warming that is causing the snow in Miami Beach!
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Lambone
Ice climber
Seattle
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Jan 28, 2003 - 12:25am PT
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It's warm up here too, and that sucks big time, cause it is raining in the mountains, and the ice up in Lillooet BC is falling down. This weekend may be my last to go ice climbing up there, and it's predicted to be in the 50's. I'm freakin pissed!
I'm not convinced it's all due to global warming though, I'm pretty sure this is just a typical el nino pattern.
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Jody
Mountain climber
San Luis Obispo County, CA
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Jan 28, 2003 - 03:13am PT
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Even if "global warming" exists, it is due to natural earth cycles and "man" has very little if anything to do with it.
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Lambone
Ice climber
Seattle
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Jan 28, 2003 - 04:07am PT
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I wouldn't quite agree with that either...it's pretty obvious that Californians alone are contributing alot of poutants into the atmosphere...if you can't see that, then it's time you left Cali for a while...
...not that Seattle is much better...
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Jody
Mountain climber
San Luis Obispo County, CA
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Jan 28, 2003 - 11:22am PT
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Several thousand years ago the earth was covered with ice during the ice age, how did it melt? It was due to global warming but industrialization was hardly a factor! I was in Seattle a few years ago and didn't notice much pollution then. Just noticed that they didn't have any freeways bigger than 3 lanes and traffic was stopped all the time. Have they built bigger roads yet?
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bird
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 28, 2003 - 01:27pm PT
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Jody,
Most scientists agree that human activity is contributing to climate change. They use things such as "scientific method" and "evidence". I tend to agree with the scientists as opposed to you who just "thinks" something and goes with it without anything to back it up.
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10b4me
Trad climber
Bishop(hopefully)
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Jan 28, 2003 - 01:30pm PT
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Jody, you've brought your right wing extremist views with you from rc.com. first of all, global warming is not a localized event. it is a climate change. secondly, using your argument about it snowing in Miami, how do you explain the record warmth in California this January?
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pighumper
climber
Bay Area
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Jan 28, 2003 - 01:44pm PT
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Hmmn... could Jody really be George Bush?
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David
Trad climber
San Rafael
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Jan 28, 2003 - 01:49pm PT
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What exactly is right wing about questioning the cause of climate change? Sounds like 10b4me has fallen hook line and sinker for the media created concept that one's response to a single scientific discussion determines instantly that you are either "left wing" or "right wing".
Fortunately, some people don't see it as a political litmus test but rather as complex question. I was under the impression most scientist in fact do not agree as to whether humans are the driving force behind current climate change.
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FREEclimber
Social climber
SF
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Jan 28, 2003 - 02:16pm PT
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jody jody jody-
study up some, sister.
there have also been several mass extinctions throughout the history of life on earth, are you also going to argue that the current accelerated extinction rates are cyclic in nature, and that clearly mankind has nothing to do with any of that crap?
the fact that global climate has shifted radically in a pattern of repeating ice ages actually provides proof that the shift we are experiencing is different. core samples from ice caps can be dated via the known rates of decay of various radioactive molecules that are trapped in the ice, and the lack of any significant increase in the types of "greenhouse gasses" present in the atmosphere (and therefore also trapped in the ice) during previous periods of climate change can be clearly demonstrated. that we are contributing massive amounts of those gasses- those being produced by our petroleum based industrialized global economies- cannot be debated.
the only scientifically debatable point is whether the gasses in question will cause the planet to get warmer over time, and several computer models also show this to be true. the small portion of the scientific community that claims to dispute these models is largely funded by industries that produce said gasses in large volume, but you are right jody, those guys are the ones we should be listening to, not the other 95% of the people who devote their professional lives to that type of research...
oh, and lambone: CA might be pumping out the gasses like no bodys biz, but the whole eastern US is powered by coal, not hydro, so just go and bash the whole damn country, lord knows we deserve it! and btw- the greater global issue is deforrestation, which handicaps the planets ability to convert C02 to 02, and population growth, which trumps 'em all! but you just keep on bashing us and then come on down here and climb our mountains and crowd our parks; hey, that's why we live here in the 1st place!
cheers
Fc
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Lambone
Ice climber
Seattle
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Jan 28, 2003 - 02:35pm PT
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:-) hehe
true dat,
the only crowdin I try do of yer parks is my truck parked by the meadow....
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Jody
Mountain climber
San Luis Obispo County, CA
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Jan 28, 2003 - 04:01pm PT
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I basically question everything and study it for myself without just taking what Tom Brokaw and Dan Blather tell me at face value. If that makes me a "right-wing" extremist, so be it. I just search for the truth.
My apologies to Chris for hijacking his thread.:(
A Gallup poll in the mid-nineties taken of scientists actually involved in global climate research shows that: 53% don't believe that global warming is taking place, 30% say they don't know, and 17% believe that it is occurring.
A scientific fact is that 96% of the so-called "greenhouse" gases are created by nature, not man.
On the first "Earth Day" in 1970, University of California professor Kenneth E. F. Watt said to a group of environmental activists, "If the present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees cooler for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees cooler by the year 2000, This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age." Yesterday, an ice age, today global warming...doesn't matter, as long as there is a crisis to hang their hats on.
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Jody
Mountain climber
San Luis Obispo County, CA
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Jan 28, 2003 - 04:04pm PT
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P.S.
By the way freeclimber, I am a dude.:) Not the first time I've been mistaken for a chick...I still get mail addressed to Mrs. and Ms. etc.ROTFLMAO!!!
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