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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 1, 2006 - 08:59pm PT
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The Physics of 9/11
Here's a more mathematical video. Only 15 minutes, you guys can spend the time to watch it.
Re: 9/11 Truth Movement -- What Actually Happened??? Jan 1, 2006, 05:17pm PST
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WBraun
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From: All right, good! Now where is the f*#king closed captioning option? :-)
Healyje, TGT, Lois and some others are not going to like this one.
Re: 9/11 Truth Movement -- What Actually Happened??? Jan 1, 2006, 05:18pm PST
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happiegrrrl
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From: New York, NY I think Lois must be having dinner. It's about suppertime in this time zone.
Re: 9/11 Truth Movement -- What Actually Happened??? Jan 1, 2006, 05:24pm PST
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Rajmit
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From: Cambridge, MA Werner, it looks like you and me on this thread. Hopefully some others will chime in with their opinions.
Here's my thought. The building collapsed with roughly 12 floors/second when it hit the ground. However, the total distance the roof of the building dropped was not to the ground. It was about 3 to 6 stories of debris in the wreckage. I feel that the ammount of weight above the crash site on Tower 1 could have caused this to occur. The "inexplicable explosions" were most likely caused from the downward movement of air, thus compressing the space containing the flames. After this compression occurred, the flames seen were blown out through windows that were not previously broken from the impact of the plane.
Raj: The Techn-illogical Indian Guy
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Happie, I try to be as thorough and well-spoken as possible in my life when addressing matters as serious as these. However, I am often a clown to sway a dull tone to something more upbeat and less dead.
Re: 9/11 Truth Movement -- What Actually Happened??? Jan 1, 2006, 05:30pm PST
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WBraun
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From: Yes Raj. thanks for your input on this
They said The towers are 1368 feet tall, that goes up to Dolt Tower on the Nose. The next one they build in it's place they better leave a hand crack going up the side of it, so that people can climb it that need to relieve their stress of living in that god forsaken urban jungle.
I will write our nice govt. representatives with this nice proposal.
Maybe fattrad can swing some leverage?
Re: 9/11 Truth Movement -- What Actually Happened??? Jan 1, 2006, 05:31pm PST
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From: OK Ramjet, cut the crap. If that picture ain't you, then put a real one on so we can mess you up.
Lois is having supper of hog jowls, turnip greens, and blackeyed peas for New Years. It brings you good luck.
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Re: 9/11 Truth Movement -- What Actually Happened??? Jan 1, 2006, 05:39pm PST
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Rajmit
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From: Cambridge, MA The real Raj, please stand up, please stand up!
Re: 9/11 Truth Movement -- What Actually Happened??? Jan 1, 2006, 05:41pm PST
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WBraun
climber
From: Rajmit that is pure phucking speculation, there's structural engineering guys and pyro guys that'll say different.
Now who's right?
Re: 9/11 Truth Movement -- What Actually Happened??? Jan 1, 2006, 05:45pm PST
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Rajmit
Social climber
From: Cambridge, MA Anything regarding engineering that does not involve computer hardware or software is completely speculation coming from me. I was just guessing.
Re: 9/11 Truth Movement -- What Actually Happened??? Jan 1, 2006, 05:47pm PST
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WBraun
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From: Now just see ......
Re: 9/11 Truth Movement -- What Actually Happened??? Jan 1, 2006, 05:47pm PST
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Chaz
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From: So. Cal. Rajmit: "hopefully some others will chime in with their opinions"
Pretty soon Karl will give us that same "answer my question" post for the tenth time, word for word just like the other nine.
Re: 9/11 Truth Movement -- What Actually Happened??? Jan 1, 2006, 05:50pm PST
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WBraun
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From: I don't even know if Karl will be able to make this far down in this hell we are at now, he's on dial up, it'll be a long elevator ride down for him.
Start a continuation thread: Part 2 for him
Re: 9/11 Truth Movement -- What Actually Happened??? Jan 1, 2006, 05:52pm PST
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Ouch!
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From: Ramjet, if that is really you, you are about as ugly as Shack.
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Re: 9/11 Truth Movement -- What Actually Happened??? Jan 1, 2006, 05:54pm PST
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Rajmit
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From: Cambridge, MA The problem with continuation threads is the referencing of other poster's opinions. The dial-up'ers have to go back to this miserable mess to find the quotes they want. Let's just keep it here.
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WBraun
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What a mess? hahaha, yes for sure .... will that work Raj?
I'm going to dinner, the hog jowls are getting cold!
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happiegrrrl
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Rajmit said:
"My God, happie, you have some hostility towards Lois that can only be explained by the apparent hatred for long and copious posts."
Uh, no. I myself am a long post-writer. What irks me is that she constantly tries to tell people what to do, and "how to improve" some aspect of their post, themselves or whatever.
I have issues.....
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 1, 2006 - 09:33pm PT
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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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Hi Ya'll
Funny that Chaz can mention a question that I've asked 5 times but not manage to type even a one sentence answer. PoopnGhost didn't answer it directly either but I appreciate his post very much.
Personally, I'm not putting much sway into how the towers went down and if that indicates some conspiracy. Not enough evidence either way and could just be distracting disinformation.
I do want to know questions like
Why former ISI director-general Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad ordered Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh to wire Mohammed Atta $100,000 and why this same Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad was at a breakfast meeting on Capitol Hill hosted by Senator Bob Graham and Rep. Porter Goss, the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence committees on the morning of 9-11? He met with CIA director George Tenet a few days earlier. WHY IS HE WIRING MOHAMMED ATTA $100,000? Isn't that a question worth looking into for God's sake?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html
http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/qfisi.html
I'm not saying anybody did anything. I don't like wearing a tin foil hat. I'm saying there are serious unanswered questions like the one above and that it's sheeplike not to inquire about them.
Peace
Karl
PS Lois
I wasn't requiring you to know any point by point history. You seem to be saying that governments always tell the truth when going to war. If that's what you think, I just have to consign you to the "Lost" file.
What I did do was show you a case where the government conspired to kill Americans to create support for a war. Operation Northwoods. It didn't happen but the questions is, if it had happened. and all it would have taken is Kennedy's support, would you have questioned the government or just supported the party line that Castro did it? You don't have to know history for that. Just read the short link and see if you can tell me that you're not a sheep. Your assertion that governments can't get away with conspiracies is plainly contradicted by the Reichstag fire.
I'm going to repost my rant from the other thread just one more time to give somebody a chance to answer the original question (actually now two questions) that have nothing to do with pearl harbor.
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answer me this
Who (exactly with some evidence) burned the German Reichstag (parlement) building that helped Hitler consolidate power? This was the 9-11 type event that was just as important in world history as 9-11. Who really did it? Who did the German people think did it at the time?
I'm going to have to add the above question to the ones below. PROVE YOU ARE NOT A SHEEP BY ANSWERING THESE SHORT QUESTIONS EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO ADMIT YOU'D BUY THE PARTY LINE.
(ps Northwoods was not related to the Bag of Pigs directly)
THE US GOVERNMENT HAS ACTUALLY PLANNED TERRORIST ATTACKS AGAINST THE US. It wasn't during a GOP administration either. Sh#t happens. check out
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html
"Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war."
Let say that Kennedy didn't 86 the plan which was signed off on by the whole Joint Chiefs, and a round of violent terrorist attacks were pulled off by the Kennedy Government on Americans.
This very nearly happened . Ask yourself this question
"Would I have questioned the evidence that it was Kennedy and not Castro killing Americans or just assumed that such a thing was unthinkable?"
We believe what we want to believe. If something is too far out of our worldview and experience, our mind glances right over it.
If you can at least answer my question
"Would I have questioned the evidence that it was Kennedy and not Castro killing Americans or just assumed that such a thing was unthinkable?"
You will at least prove your mind can go there
peace
karl
PS Lois, broadband not available where I live
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Chaz
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See, I told you Karl would be back with the same question. I should be in Vegas. Me and The Amazing Kreskin can open for Wayne Newton three times a night predicting the future.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 1, 2006 - 10:22pm PT
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" Large numbers of subscribers are outraged"
Don't sweat it. They are just neocon chickenhawks anyway.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Lois,
Stern's getting a hell of a lot more than five million.
I think it's more like half a billion.
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happiegrrrl
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New York, NY
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....maybe it's a conspiracy!
Seriously - Lois, are you kidding? Howard Stern has a HUGE following. Probably a lot larger than Fox News...... And, what's the big deal about Fox News, anyway? I have never seen any critcal reporting come out of them. It's the same spew that is on every news show/newspaper front page. Garbola.
Edit - Oh, and people - PLEASE stop posting to the Part 1 thread. I am one of the dial-uppers, and it's seriously annoying to have to wait those extra nanoseconds.....
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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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This thead is a pathetic hijack from the beginning. Somebody crash it into a firewall.
I couldn't afford Satellite if I could get it Lois. I'm a dirtbag. That's how I have time to read this stuff.
and Lois, why waste that posting talking about bandwidth when you could just anwer my question, which requires no historical knowledge, only the ability to admit that a government could conspiire to lie at the expense of it's own citizens?
and if you read the scanned actual joint chiefs of staff documents, you get exactly a 9-11 style conspiracy, complete with faked plane crashes.
I'm posing on the other thread. This one sucks. I can wait for the dialup as long as nobody image bombs it
Peace
Karl
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happiegrrrl
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New York, NY
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Karl - I posted that I could see it as being possible, though I didn't directly refer to your links. Thanks for putting them up by the way.
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Chaz
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So. Cal.
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Lois,
I had never listened to Stern until a couple months before the last Presidential Election. One of my friends told me Stern was talking trash about Bush, so I listened a few times, I like to explore as many sides of things as I can. If he ever did talk politics it wasn't while I was listening. He seemed to be trying to convince girls to take off their shirts. Radio is not the place for that stuff, we need pictures to make it work. For all I know, those gals might have been the kind who look better with their shirts ON. Tough to tell over the radio.
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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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Thanks for the response Happi
Lois, you are just spouting blind faith. Bush, in contradiction to the non-proliferation treaty, is developing new classes of Nuclear weapons and has modified the National Security strategies to allow using them in a first strike against non-nuclear opponents.
Think some innocent people might get killed?
On of the weapons is a bunker busting bomb to get places like the bunkers they tried to nail Saddam in during the war. Think innocent folks might get killed?
Nixon killed MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS illegally and secretly bombing Laos and Cambodia during the Vietnam war. Maybe you're only talking about innocent Americans but I'm not.
They think they need to sacrifice lives to save the world, or at least the American way of life. The philosophy is that you have to break a few eggs.
Guys who claim to have political connections like Fatty (and I can tell you he does) have called for use of Nukes in places like Iran and Syria. Just what has Syria done to warrant such a device used that would kill so many innocents?
Wake up and smell the crap
Peace
karl
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Chaz
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For a half a billion, I'd say Stern owes us pictures.
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happiegrrrl
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New York, NY
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I seem to remember, during the first Gulf War, something on the news(and no doubt, it was Fox, because back then I lived in Podunk, WI and pretty much, that was the available news) that the military guys were very hyped on the fact that the attacks would be launched and played out as airstrikes instead of ground forces fighting hand to hand combat.
They felt that this was an improvement that would reduce the amounts of shell-shock the soliders would suffer because the strikes were more akin to playing a video game and the sense of detachment would make them less likely to feel empathy and see the enemy as human beings....
In order to kill, in any capacity, there has to be some sort of detachment, I would think. That's why the politicians try to evade talking about casualty numbers, why our government tried to censor photos of casualties. It's all a game.... And, for God's sake, our country has ALREADY lost more than 2,000 - (Americans!)- directly to this war, with not so much as an admission that it is a shame. Most of those soldiers signed up with no awraeness that they would be going to war(even though the plans were in place while they recruited them with slogans of looking forward to college tuitions and home loans).
So.....I know it's a bit of a tangent, but...No, it isn't difficult at all to believe that a politician could stand by and watch 3,000 people be set up. They already have, and the body count is growing daily.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 1, 2006 - 11:40pm PT
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Ramjet, before Bush's Great Blunder, no one joined the national guard with the intention of going to war. They joined to avoid active duty, get a little extra pay and/or build on a retirement. Some joined for the cool clothes and to shoot cool guns. That's why I joined the guard when I was 14. Stayed in for a year before they kicked me out for fraudulent enlistment.
They got caught in a trap when the cannon fodder ran low.
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Jaybro
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The West
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At this point Entropy is, but;
I'd pay more to lose Fox than to listen to Howard.
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Nixon, bushes are only a sampling in the world of genocide.
"One does NOT have to be able to achieve a given goal to suggest that others do it."
-Even Michael Jordan had coaches.
That building collapse stuff is some sh#t I don't understand!
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WBraun
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No keep it here Majid, don't go to the basement of hell in that 200 plus post. Majid is it raining in San Jose hard?
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