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Bboi
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Sep 10, 2009 - 11:01pm PT
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Peace
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Sep 10, 2009 - 11:06pm PT
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we digress.
Peace indeed.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 10, 2009 - 11:09pm PT
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Yeah, it's definitely the Jooos fault, at least in part, if only Hitler woulda finished them all off, AND we never developed oilfields for the rat-F*#k Saudis, everything would be harmonious nowadays.
Come to think of it, it is all the fault of US and the Brits. We liberated the Jews and developed those awful oilfields for the rotten SandPeople. F*#k the West!!!! Buncha money hungry rats!
Ward Churchill is totally right on, man.
It's all coming to me now. If only....
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno
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Sep 10, 2009 - 11:10pm PT
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"We also warned Afghanistan and Iraq. They gambled too.
warned them about what? Cornform to our ways and beliefs or we will come and destroy ur country and kill u? Wow! That sounds great. I'm so proud to be a part of that. Not!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 10, 2009 - 11:12pm PT
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Yep, the Afghanis were given like 10 days to fork over Bin Laden.
Saddam had 3 days to relinquish power and get out.
Both gave us the finger, both went down.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Sep 10, 2009 - 11:15pm PT
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blue - where does pointing out a known mossad involvement, documenting by Fox and others, suddenly warrant the slander and teh hitler thing ?
I'd like to just stick to the known facts please...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 10, 2009 - 11:22pm PT
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Are you going to tell me the Mossad was behind the 1st bombing too?
KSM was a Mossad agent? The planner.
So you are saying the Jews did it?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 10, 2009 - 11:23pm PT
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"Yeah, it's definitely the Jooos fault, at least in part, if only Hitler woulda finished them all off, AND we never developed oilfields for the rat-F*#k Saudis, everything would be harmonious nowadays.
Come to think of it, it is all the fault of US and the Brits. We liberated the Jews and developed those awful oilfields for the rotten SandPeople. F*#k the West!!!! Buncha money hungry rats!
Ward Churchill is totally right on, man.
It's all coming to me now. If only...."
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Blue, why do you immediate go to the extreme of thinking that if we aren't completely innocent, then we must be completely guilty. That is black and white thinking. I think it is better to take a hard look at the things America has done wrong, so we can better understand why people hate us and perhaps stop doing certain things so that we have a better chance of avoiding future terrorist attacks.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 10, 2009 - 11:26pm PT
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Peace, now.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 10, 2009 - 11:32pm PT
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I remember the story, Pagan, but it don't jive....Think about ALL the other evidence that contadicts that.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 10, 2009 - 11:32pm PT
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Gil Scott-Heron:Work For Peace,
http://vodpod.com/watch/622149-gil-scott-heron-work-for-peace
Back when Eisenhower was the President,
Golf courses was where most of his time was spent.
So I never really listened to what the President said,
Because in general I believed that the General was politically dead.
But he always seemed to know when the muscles were about to be flexed,
Because I remember him saying something, mumbling something about a Military Industrial Complex.
Americans no longer fight to keep their shores safe,
Just to keep the jobs going in the arms making workplace.
Then they pretend to be gripped by some sort of political reflex,
But all they're doing is paying dues to the Military Industrial Complex.
The Military and the Monetary,
The Military and the Monetary,
The Military and the Monetary.
The Military and the Monetary,
get together whenever they think its necessary,
They turn our brothers and sisters into mercenaries, they are turning the planet into a cemetery.
The Military and the Monetary, use the media as intermediaries,
they are determined to keep the citizens secondary, they make so many decisions that are arbitrary.
We're marching behind a commander in chief,
who is standing under a spotlight shaking like a leaf.
but the ship of state had landed on an economic reef,
so we knew he was going to bring us messages of grief.
The Military and the Monetary,
were shielded by January and went storming into February,
Brought us pot bellied generals as luminaries,
two weeks ago I hadn't heard of the son of a bitch,
now all of a sudden he's legendary.
They took the honour from the honourary,
they took the dignity from the dignitaries,
they took the secrets from the secretary,
but they left the bitch an obituary.
The Military and the Monetary,
from thousands of miles away in a Saudi Arabian sanctuary,
had us all scrambling for our dictionaries,
cause we couldn't understand the f*#kin vocabulary.
Yeah, there was some smart bombs,
but there was some dumb ones as well,
scared the hell out of CNN in that Baghdad hotel.
The Military and the Monetary,
they get together whenever they think its necessary,
War in the desert sometimes sure is scary,
but they beamed out the war to all their subsidiaries.
Tried to make So Damn Insane a worthy adversary,
keeping the citizens secondary,
scaring old folks into coronaries.
The Military and the Monetary,
from thousands of miles in a Saudi Arabian sanctuary,
kept us all wondering if all of this was really truely, necessary.
We've got to work for Peace,
Peace ain't coming this way.
If we only work for Peace,
If everyone believed in Peace the way they say they do,
we'd have Peace.
The only thing wrong with Peace,
is that you can't make no money from it.
The Military and the Monetary,
they get together whenever they think its necessary,
they've turned our brothers and sisters into mercenaries,
they are turning the planet, into a cemetery.
Got to work for Peace,
Peace ain't coming this way.
We should not allow ourselves to be mislead,
by talk of entering a time of Peace,
Peace is not the absence of war,
it is the absence of the rules of war and the threats of war and the preparation for war.
Peace is not the absence of war,
it is the time when we will all bring ourselves closer to each other,
closer to building a structure that is unique within ourselves
because we have finally come to Peace within ourselves.
The Military and the Monetary,
The Military and the Monetary,
The Military and the Monetary.
Get together whenever they think its necessary,
they've turned our brothers and sisters into mercenaries,
they are turning parts of the planet, into a cemetery.
The Military and the Monetary,
The Military and the Monetary,
We hounded the Ayatollah religiously,
Bombed Libya and killed Quadafi's son hideously.
We turned our back on our allies the Panamanians,
and saw Ollie North selling guns to the Iranians.
Watched Gorbachev slaughtering Lithuanians,
We better warn the Amish,
they may bomb the Pennsylvanians.
The Military and the Monetary,
get together whenever they think its necessary,
they have turned our brothers and sisters into mercenaries,
they are turning the planet, into a cemetery.
I don't want to sound like no late night commercial,
but its a matter of fact that there are thousands of children all over the world
in Asia and Africa and in South America who need our help.
When they start talking about 55 cents a day and 70 cents a day,
I know a lot of folks feel as though that,
thats not really any kind of contribution to make,
but we had to give up a dollar and a half just to get in the subway nowadays.
So this is a song about tommorrow and about how tommorrow can be better. if we all,
"Each one reach one, Each one try to teach one".
Nobody can do everything,
but everybody can do something,
everyone must play a part,
everyone got to go to work, Work for Peace.
Spirit Say Work, Work for Peace
If you believe the things you say, go to work.
If you believe in Peace, time to go to work.
Cant be wavin your head no more, go to work.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2009 - 12:04am PT
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It just goes to show that if attack the United States and kill thousands of innocent people you will unleash the dogs of War.
Top Secret info deleted.
Juan
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Boise....
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Sep 11, 2009 - 12:05am PT
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Let's discuss those....There are some dams around that must go.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Sep 11, 2009 - 12:09am PT
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Hats off to my brothers who died that day.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Sep 11, 2009 - 12:29am PT
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Munge abides 9/11
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2009 - 01:07am PT
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Go to Turkey. They Love Americans. I spent 3 weeks in Turkey and they loved me. Best trip of my life. Saw the Total Eclipse under perfect conditions. Stayed in a 5 star hotel for @200 Dollars a night with the best Turkish Bath on the planet.
Juan
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Sep 11, 2009 - 01:44am PT
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A salute to all that passed that day, and to all that have fallen since in an effort to right such a wrong. So much sorrow.
A black day in USA history for sure.
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Sep 11, 2009 - 02:35am PT
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This thread is just more evidence that convinces me that we may eventually be taking up arms against each other. The chasm between our ideological viewpoints is growing exponentially. It's sad. We used to have a lot more in common than we had differences. Not any longer.
Ed
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 11, 2009 - 09:28am PT
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If you really want to honor the tragic loss and suffering of the survivors you would demand the truth!
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