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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Sep 28, 2008 - 10:45pm PT
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The Spring Route was my first wall way back in high school about 75-76. Did it over the X-mas break with Gary Hervert.
Note the Forrest Pinbins!
Ron- what made you want to solo Cradle of Stone?
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Witch Hunter
Social climber
Templeton, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2008 - 01:16pm PT
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Thanks for all the info folks, should make it a great trip!
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crøtch
climber
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Sep 30, 2008 - 02:00pm PT
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bump
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Has this happened yet, witch?
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Witch Hunter
Social climber
Templeton, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2008 - 02:36pm PT
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Not yet Jaybro, looking around the end of the month. It should only be around 100 degrees by then.
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drljefe
climber
Calizona
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Weather is perfect down here...
have fun on your climb.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 11, 2008 - 09:53pm PT
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This is an original topo for Cradle of Stone done in 1982 with Jim Waugh in 2 1/2 days.
Lots of spicy free climbing with a little old school A-4.
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Apr 17, 2009 - 02:36pm PT
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Trolling for any useful beta.
Going with Nature this weekend.
Anyone?
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Apr 17, 2009 - 02:45pm PT
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Jefe - Did the SE Arete a few years back (finally) with a buddy car-to-car from the east side. We had a great conversation after we got back down with the lady who's family owned the Riggs Ranch at that time. She was really nice.
SE Arete is a cruiser, so that's no biggie.
What route are you doing?
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Apr 17, 2009 - 02:52pm PT
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That's the plan Greg- SE Arete CTC from the East.
Descent? Forbes? Rap the SE? Opinions vary.
Wondering where to car camp the night before too.
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Apr 17, 2009 - 03:18pm PT
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We camped in the truck in some flat spot on the drive in there. Maybe just outside the gate? This has been a while, so not sure if that's tolerated or not any more.
I had the benefit of my buddy having done the Forbes descent a few weekends before we did it, but I think a little route finding capability goes a long way and once you're on it, you're golden. Seem to remember there was one spot down near the base of the west side where if you go up and over a small notch, you scramble down and you're on the slope north of the peak that is easy to cross down to the saddle campsite, then you're home free. Wish I'd have made notes at the time. Forbes, though, seems pretty similar to the North Dome Gully descent... people make more out of it than they should. Just my opinion.
Launched at like 5:30am, back at 3:15pm. In, out.
Like going to Wisconsin.
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Apr 17, 2009 - 03:59pm PT
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Thanks man.
I grew up with Babo's silhouette ever present and even visited a sacred Pima (Tohono) cave at the base, as a boy.
I 'm really excited and just can't believe I've never climbed it before.
Wooohooo!
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Apr 17, 2009 - 04:30pm PT
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I met her at a bar last night. woke up with a nasty headache... but there she was... next to me. cheap date really. she wants in. Won't take much space... really. So we have a third. Locker will be jealous :-)
thanks for the beta, Greg. That's what I'm hoping for - in and out. We will find the rap station.
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rick d
climber
tucson, az
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Apr 17, 2009 - 06:09pm PT
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doug/drljefe
mt project now has a good deal on the Forbes raps. I went in 2 months ago and did SE arete to Forbes decent car to car w/ snow in a long day. It should be much faster. Drop excess gear on first part of traverse onto Lion's ledge as the ideal is down Forbes to saddle, then down to ranch HQ. To find that traverse to lion's look for 7/8 small agaves on left then follow cairn's up gully, left over death bowl, through trees, then around onto the ledge.
SE arete has a couple 5.6 sections but is really not that bad. You can switch to approach shoes after the third real pitch up to the notch. I did those exit move in trainers (tennies) but partner opted for rock shoes. From the summit, head north and down to NW gully system (sticking at first to left side, then right to ladder raps. To find the raps- follow the misc old metal ladder hangers if you get lost (a bolt here and there). Keep going north (through trees) to get to second raps. third rap is a gully/slot really trending north.
there is water (three 5 gl buckets) at the spring and more at Cougar Cave's spring.
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Anxious Melancholy
Mountain climber
Back of beyond
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Apr 17, 2009 - 06:49pm PT
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never camped on the east, only on the west. nice spots and a great trail to the base of the forbes, and continuing good use trail across lyons ledge to the base of the SE arete. easy day, even manageable with a wicked hangover. done as a great three day diversion from san diego. easy day drive out, easy day's climbing in beautiful setting, and thence an easy day drive home. plenty of time for exercises with 12 oz cans, etc.
Bobo from the west camp
F10 on the SE Ridge
F10 leading a 5.6 pitch on the SE Ridge
Which way do we go?
At rest
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Apr 17, 2009 - 06:52pm PT
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jefe... dare we consider the west camp?
the "girl" likes the idea.
Edit: From Mountain Proj:
East:A four wheel drive or high clearance vehicle is recommended for this approach. Drive Hwy 86 west to Robles Junction and turn south on Hwy 286. Continue on for 29 miles, then take the first right after mp 16. Stay on this road for 2.7 miles, taking the first dirt road forking to the right. You will reach a sign and a gate at 6.5 miles. Park and continue through the gate on foot. After about a half mile, you will directed around the house and corrals to the trail up Thomas Canyon. This trail will put you on the saddle below Babo in two to three hours. Expect difficult route-finding.
West:Continue on Hwy 86 past Robles Junction to Sells. In Sells, take the 'business loop' and make a turn south toward the settlement of Topawa. Turn left at the sign for 'Baboquivari Park' and follow a good dirt road 10 miles to a fork. Go right. This will take you to Baboquivari Camp, which is operated and maintained by the Tohono O'odham nation.It is a great place have base camp. From camp, it is about two hours to the saddle, depending on party speed. The trail is well established and nearly impossible to lose.
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Apr 17, 2009 - 08:46pm PT
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