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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 13, 2009 - 06:24pm PT
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Lois, don't get me wrong, when it comes to certain topics, such as health and medicine, you contribute some valid and valuable comments and posts to this forum.
But when it comes to politics, you come across as very inane, at least to me (and suffice to say others, though I can’t really speak for anyone else), and even ignorant.
I know that you are a lecturer in nursing, and therefore have some smarts, but your inconsistent political views are obvious and your, shall we say naiveté, very disconcerting and sometimes downright annoying.
Oh well, that is one of the beauties of the internet, I suppose, that anyone can voice a view and be heard. But the downside is that rubbish can also be spouted.
PS I will always thank you for your advice on the NP qualification.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 13, 2009 - 06:40pm PT
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khanom: if I understand the point of your graph, if global warming "gets worse" under Obama that it has been under Bush, will that be Obama's fault? Perhaps I'm not seeing the point of your post.
Karl Baba: is looking at terrorist attacks over entire course of US history and concluding that, "statistically," there shouldn't be another attack for 100 years a sound use of statistics? Does recent attack in Mumbai get factored in? What about numerous attacks in Europe? And does not the fact that terrorist attacks are continuing in other parts of the world, but not (yet) in US, at least suggest that terrorists are attacking soft targets, which are not (now) in US? To be clear, I'm no fan of Bush and my gut tells me war in Iraq probably has increased number of terrorists, but I think the picture is more complicated than some of you have painted it, and there are huge uncertainties as to what terrorists will do in the future, including use of WMDs. The boy who cried wolf was wrong, until he was right.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 13, 2009 - 07:30pm PT
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Extremely left, us Supertopians? Surely you jest.
I'm sure that Bluering, TGT, TradIsGood, Fattrad, Woody and a host of others would disagree.
Otherwise, best wishes in your new endeavours.
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Jan 13, 2009 - 07:49pm PT
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It will be interesting when the Gitmo prisons get shut down. War crimes or not?
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Jan 13, 2009 - 08:36pm PT
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"I am inclined to believe he spent most of his time and efforts in preventing attacks on the homeland."
We sure had a lot of attacks before 9/11. There was such a clear trend towards us getting killed off in mass quantities before that, that it is ever so clear that we are now being well protected from it.
Oh wait, other than that one bad day, things were never really that bad... at all. Even that day, lots of other people died. Enough people (who were promptly forgotten) died elsewhere that day as to make that one day not even a stand-out day. And what cost have we paid for this extra tidbit of protection? Civil rights abuses, torture, TSA? Was it worth it to prevent the attacks that were so infrequent as to be nearly zero?
More people die from drunk driving in a month than were killed on 9/11. Your head is up your a*# if you think that Bush is really protecting you from getting killed quickly and easily on any given day. Your chances of being killed by unnatural causes has changed so little that the number zero comes to mind. Chance of being killed in an airliner or office building before 9/11, nearly zero. Chance of being killed in an airliner or office building now? probably the same number unless you go out to a few more decimal places. I'm sure it's not zero but I'd be willing to take a little more risk with my life just to get rid of torture, illegal wire tapping, TSA, etc.... Didn't you see V-for-Vendetta? You know the drill? Please sir can I have another law restricting every aspect of my life so that I can feel protected like a small feeble child. Are you really so feeble?
Thanks but no thanks. The true price for freedom is risk and danger..
Dave
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andanother
climber
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Jan 13, 2009 - 09:09pm PT
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Hi,
I just want to let everyone know that I missed the point entirely. The more I say, the more I look like a fool. I really have no idea what is going on.
But I'm still going to keep on typing and typing and typing because I CAN'T F*#KING STOP MYSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 13, 2009 - 09:32pm PT
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rectorsquid spouted: "More people die from drunk driving in a month than were killed on 9/11"
I just logged onto this site today and it looks like it needs a fact checker. I'll do it for today only (ending now).
In 2001, 17448 people died in alcohol related crashes. See http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-driving-statistics-2001.html
That averages 1454 per month. (In 2006, last year I could quickly find, it was 15,829).
In 9/11 attacks, 2998 people were killed (not including the hijackers). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
So rectorsquid: you're off by a factor of 2.
Do you guys just make stuff up off the top of your heads, or are you being deliberately misled by someone and actually believe your nonsense? On another thread, http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=762083 some guy posted a link to this "great video" that is "fully legit and filled with good hard facts." I watched about 2 minutes until I caught the narrator telling an obvious lie (or huge error) about the size of military spending relative to federal taxes. I point that out to try to inform people; meanwhile some other people are posting things like "great video, thanks." Then to top it off, the OP on the other thread shows up, and misquotes the narrator (he said she said "nearly 50%", when in fact she said "more than 50%" and she wasn't off by just a couple percent in any event--closer to a rectorsquid). I mean the OP uses quotation marks and everything, and in fact he is just making crap up. I don't mind correcting knuckleheads every now and then if it wakes some of you up, but I don't know if I'm getting through.
Why do you even refer to "facts" if you don't care if they're true or not? Maybe this is a generational thing.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 13, 2009 - 11:31pm PT
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Blah, there was plenty of terrorism in the world before and during Bush.
Again, if Bush had really done anything much to make us safer, he would have managed to arrest people and put them on trial for serious intended crimes. Instead it seems what we see is paid informants who have goaded wannabes into planning terrorist panty raids without any real weapons or realistic plan.
Congrats on the Job LEBster. We'll never forget that you live off Government Grants and that the government pays you less than the private sector and you're happy about it. So I AM happy for you but it's all fair to roast you with.,
PEace
karl
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jan 13, 2009 - 11:46pm PT
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Lois wrote: "One thing for sure is that he will not be able to fill all of these pie-in-the sky promises he made during the campaign."
Lois, could you please give me an example or two of the promises Obama made during his campaign that you feel he will not be able to fulfill?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 14, 2009 - 12:16am PT
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happiegirl:
I am not Lois of course, but let me give an example of a campaign promise I think Obama has already broken, at least in spirit:
Promise: Commitment to gay rights
"I will never compromise on my commitment to equal rights for all LGBT Americans."—02/28/08, Obama letter to LGBT Americans
Break: Rick Warren, noted evangelist who supported California constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage chosen by Obama to deliver inauguration invocation. See http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16693.html
That was a typical politician move: he knows the gays don't have much of a real option to abandon the Dems for the Repubs who are going to be even worse from the gays perspective, so Obama can dump on gays. Kind of like what Dems (arguably) have done to blacks for so long. I like a lot of what I've seen of Obama but I think people who think he's some sort of a "new" politician are fooling themselves: He's a textbook, master politician.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 14, 2009 - 12:28am PT
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"I am not Lois of course, but let me give an example of a campaign promise I think Obama has already broken, at least in spirit:
Promise: Commitment to gay rights
"I will never compromise on my commitment to equal rights for all LGBT Americans."—02/28/08, Obama letter to LGBT Americans
Break: Rick Warren, noted evangelist who supported California constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage chosen by Obama to deliver inauguration invocation.l "
Maybe, maybe not. Warren has actually been more sympathetic towards gays than the run of the mill mega-preachers. By including him in the inaguration, he brings Warren closer to his side, potentially influencing him, and also strengthening Warren over the real agents of intolerance. By including Warren, Obama can include people further on the other side without being imbalanced. Having Warren do the service doesn't change any law or policy
Peace
Karl
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jan 14, 2009 - 09:42am PT
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Lois wrote: " Hi Happi,
Before I answer you, would you mind if I emailed you for your interpretation of something I am puzzling over? "
You're free to send me an email at any time.
If your email to me is more pressing, I'm surprised you didn't simply email me beforehand. I call BS.
So - email me and I will review it asap. But please know that if I feel your answer to my request(example(s) of specific promises) is more pressing to me, I will hold your email reply hostage until you fulfill that request!
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 14, 2009 - 11:54am PT
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Hey, at least maybe we can have a laugh or two from this.
Top 25 Bushisms:
http://www.slate.com/id/2208132/
16. "One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic pictures."—U.S. News & World Report, Jan. 3, 2000
4. "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country."—Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 14, 2009 - 12:48pm PT
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At this point I don't care what legacy he leaves behind as long as his behind leaves!
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 14, 2009 - 01:27pm PT
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Bwahhahahahahahah
No doubt carved on Mt. Rushmore in 2013.
Dafty old boy have any of your pronounced prognostications ever come to pass?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jan 14, 2009 - 01:40pm PT
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Okaym Lois - I answered your email.
Now, if you would be so kind as to follow through on your part.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jan 14, 2009 - 02:22pm PT
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http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-justice14-2009jan14,0,6760621.story
Bush appointee saw Justice lawyers as 'commies,' 'crazy libs,' report says
Bradley Schlozman, who supervised civil rights and voting rights lawyers, broke the law by considering political affiliations in deciding who can serve, an inspector general's report says.
By David G. Savage
January 14, 2009
Reporting from Washington -- To Bradley Schlozman, they were "mold spores," "commies" and "crazy libs."
He was referring to the career lawyers in the Justice Department's civil rights and voting rights divisions. From 2003 to 2006, Schlozman was a Bush appointee who supervised them. Along with several others, he came to symbolize the midlevel political appointees who brought a hard-edged ideology to the day-to-day workings of the Justice Department.
"My tentative plans are to gerrymander all of those crazy libs right out of the section," he said in an e-mail in 2003. "I too get to work with mold spores, but here in Civil Rights, we call them Voting Section attorneys," he confided to another friend.
He hoped to get rid of the "Democrats" and "liberals" because they were "disloyal" and replace them with "real Americans" and "right-thinking Americans."
He appears to have succeeded by his standards, according to an inspector general's report released Tuesday. Among the newly hired lawyers whose political or ideological views could be discerned, 63 of 65 lawyers hired under Schlozman had Republican or conservative credentials, the report said.
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