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CAMNOTCLIMB
Trad climber
novato ca
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Dec 26, 2008 - 07:02pm PT
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Your first post.... To bad the whole climbing thing got missed..
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Buggs
Trad climber
Eagle River, Alaska
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Dec 26, 2008 - 07:12pm PT
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Wow...Freak me out Frank.
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AllezAllez510
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Dec 27, 2008 - 10:11am PT
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Clu, I TOTALLY KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!
I've seen that guy in Ironworks for years. Always wanted to know what his story was...and that mullet!
At first I thought he was some retired badass french sport climber who just had lots of 80's spandex left over, but I've never seen him lead anything harder than .11.
The thing that gets me is...he always seems to be climbing with some pretty attractive girls, which, if you've ever seen him is pretty amazing.
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couchmaster
climber
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Dec 27, 2008 - 12:29pm PT
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You quote my words and consider it wacked? Might I suggest you do a quick search on this? Some of us have a search engine called "Google", it is amazing but it will find all kinds of interesting articles and news if you enter those search terms. Let "Google" be your friend before you call bullsh#t. You don't have a clue what we have or what they have. I don't either. Yet we are spending billions of dollars on developing these weapons and more. So are the Chinese.
Frankly Khanom, I'd heard over 10 years ago that the army was developing a secret weapon which would kill masses of people with a wide area beam of energy. My source called it a "death ray". I considered it bullshit at the time. Now it turns out, that the Army has announced a "Non-lethal" version they call the "Active Denial System" which will be deployed soon, and probably be used on US civilian protesters soon enough. I say "Non-lethal" because there is eyewitness testimony that they tested it often on herds of live goats and it was lethal to goats.
There's apparently a switch that they can crank it up a few notches. Could it be used to kill thousands of grouped protesters at some point in the future? Yes of course, but the chances are infinitesimally low. Could it be deployed in a version of the Iran/Iraq war where the scenario was massive waves of Iranian soldiers running directly at fortified defensive positions? Of course. How about in the West Bank? Probably in it's "Non-lethal" variant. Google it. Google around....check the truth. One of the earliest mentions, 4 years ago, on the internet was this site: http://www.why-war.com/features/. It's easy to dismiss them as wackos, yet they nailed this one before any regular news organization.....what does that tell you? The CIA spends millions of your money to control the press, hows that for a wacko idea? A non-free press? Yet it's true, google "Operation Mockingbird". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird If you don't think that kind of thing is still happening, check this out about the CIA black budget. http://www.american.edu/salla/Articles/BB-CIA.htm Mind you, I'm very Pro-American- more than most folks I know. But I'm also pro-constitution, and some of this sh#t bothers me. True - I want us on top internationally, and I realize that you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs......but sh#t, some of this is way over the top. It's all about control. Of you Khanom. And me.
Interestingly, a conductor between you and the beam will stop it and render it ineffective. Tinfoil hats anyone?:-)
Open your eyes....google is your friend:-)
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 27, 2008 - 12:42pm PT
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Yup, it's hard to find the line where suspecting what we aren't being told ends and conspiracy begins, but it's madness to think the military just researches conventional means of killing and dominating.
The military industrial complex spends billions and billions on research and hardware, and that's not including covert programs. Why wouldn't they research ways to kill folks in stealth and undetectable ways? Shoot, if I was president, I'd order them to do so.
The problems really begin if somebody is corrupt enough to use these toys on problem senators and such.
Since we're talking conspiracy, here's a right wing republican that claimed other right wing republicans were set to kill him and then dies in plan crash. Seems like flying private plans is super dangerous to politicians as many have died in recent years in crashes (Wellstone, Kennedy and more)
http://www.alternet.org/election08/114674/rove%27s_it_guru_warned_of_sabotage_before_fatal_plane_crash%3B_was_set_to_testify/?page=entire
Peace
Karl
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Clu
Social climber
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Dec 27, 2008 - 01:22pm PT
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Allezallez I thought LAFTA was Patrice, who actually became a pretty good friend of mine. But LAFTA email address is telemark15 and Patrice does not tele. But they are cut of the same cloth, Patrice being much more intellectual but just as virulantly anti-american. Google Patrice Ayme. Both claim Prescott Bush helped finance Hitler's Germany, could be true. Patrice claims to be an ex.13 badass climber. Dave Altman has known Patrice from UC Berkeley math dept. back in the day. I asked Dave and he told me "Patrice had been bugging me to do the Steck-Salathe and I agreed if I did all the leading. I placed one piece of pro on every pitch so Patrice could not pull on anything. When we summited, he just laid down for 10 min without moving". Hilarious. Altman is BADASS.
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AllezAllez510
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Dec 27, 2008 - 02:34pm PT
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BITD I worked at Wilderness Exchange, sold a lot of tele gear. I remember Patrice ("french mullet guy" is always how I referred to him) came in and went on a 10 minute rant about the merits of randonet skiing vs. the tele set up. Being an ex-snowboarder I could not have cared less. He certainly did not endear himself to the other employees however.
edit: the guy is classic though...he couldn't look more European if he tried. I'd peg him for German though...like one of the ones who got stuck in east Germany.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Dec 27, 2008 - 02:37pm PT
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didn't an emp weapon take down wellstone's plane ?
(i'm just sayin...)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 27, 2008 - 02:38pm PT
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In October 1942, while young George was in flight school attempting to save his family honor, the US government prosecuted both Prescot Bush and Bert Walker (our current President's great grandfather and the source of the "Walker" in his name) under the Trading With The Enemy Act.
While this country had been floundering in the Depression they had been investing in Nazi Germany's rearmament through a number of business fronts they had set up for their clients.
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Patrice Ayme
Social climber
Earth
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George Herbert Walker And Prescott Bush
Funded And Directed The Military Industrial Complex
Behind Adolf Hitler And The Nazi Revolution
by Webster G. Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin
from George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography
The grandfather of President George Walker Bush (Skull & Bones, 1968) was Prescott Bush (Skull & Bones, 1917), and his great grand father was George Herbert Walker. Prescott Bush and George Herbert (Bert) Walker were directors of the London-affiliated New York banking house of Brown Brothers-Harriman and its various fronts, which funded and directed the military-industrial complex behind Hitler and the Nazi revolution.
In 1919, George Herbert Walker had organized W.A. Harriman & Co which merged with the British Brown Brothers in 1931. In 1924, Averell Harriman (Skull & Bones, 1913) and Fritz Thyssen, the German industrialist who began funding Hitler in 1923, set up the Union Banking Corp in New York to handle funds supplied to it through Thyssen's Dutch bank for American investment. Prescott Bush, who had been an officer of the W.A. Harriman bank since 1926, was a director of the Union Banking Corp from 1934 through 1943. According to government documents, "all of the shares of the Union Banking Corp., were held for the benefit of members of the Thyssen family."
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And so on... Thyssen wrote a book in 1940:"I paid Hitler." This extract above (not written by me) mentioned an extremely small part of the story.
Prescott Bush managed several war companies directly for Hitler (Hitler was his boss), including the most important, the American-Silesian corporation (even after Hitler had nationalized it). Bush was compensated in 1953, founding the Bush family fortune.
Verily, understanding Hitler without understanding Wall Street is a struggle in vain. Wall Street created the super monopoly called IG Farben (of Auschwitz fame). American-Silesian used Auschwitz slaves (even six months after Hitler had declared war on the USA, Bush kept managing the A-S corporation).
IBM had the monopoly of computing in the Reich (see "IBM and the Holocaust"). It was managed from New York in its daily operation, through Geneva, throughout the war. None of the 35 IBM factories in Hitler's Reich was damaged enough to stop operations, because US pilots were given strict instructions to avoid bombing them.
Standard Oil ("Exxon") gave the synthetic rubber and oil processes to Hitler (crucial to turn around the Franco-British sea blockade), Texaco gave Hitler the fuel to conquer Spain, the Ethyl Corporation of America flew in airplane fuel crucial anti knock compounds desperately needed as early as September 1939 while Hitler fought the entire Polish army and 45 French divisions, Nazi armor, magnesium bombs and automatic pilots for Stukas or Ford engines for superiority fighters were all, well, American, and so on.
Oh yes the USA did not send one cartridge to France in May-June 1940, during the Battle of France the Western front deadliest battle (more than 185,000 soldiers killed), but was the first and only country (besides the fascist ones) to recognize the illegal and unconstitutional Vichy regime (established under Nazi occupation).
One can call that set of observations anti-American, if one wishes, but, true, reality will be found by the mentally challenged to be pretty anti-American these days, I must admit. Maybe it should be racially excluded.
Fuller versions of some of this drift are found on my old site, Tyranosopher.
More recent material on other subjects (many pertinent to the present plunge of the US socioeconomy) can be found on:
Patriceayme.wordpress.com
PA
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Lafta
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2009 - 07:17pm PT
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Bump!
While I still have freedom of speech and expression.
Your new god Obama will change nothing but lead U.S. to more war
and raise your taxes....for a start.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 20, 2009 - 07:19pm PT
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And what have you done big man?
Just spew your big mouth into the either.
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Barbarian
Trad climber
stealth camping and hiding from the man
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Jan 20, 2009 - 07:33pm PT
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I took the tin foil off my climbing helmet and it looks like one of the crazies got in...
If I put it back on, will he go away?
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Jan 20, 2009 - 08:08pm PT
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A right winger calling other people sheeple is great for a laugh!!
Can you say projection?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 20, 2009 - 08:11pm PT
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Lafta: Drink the koolaid. Please.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Jan 20, 2009 - 10:09pm PT
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Yeah Lafta, I see their looking for ya.
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KP Ariza
climber
SCC
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Jan 20, 2009 - 11:55pm PT
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Laugh-at-ya, you are not Michael Savage, no matter how hard you try. Although you may be right about what you stated in your last post, which is the equivalent of the last two terms, give YOUR new administration a chance. Cross your fingers and give 'em a chance. It couldn't be a whole lot worse huh?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 21, 2009 - 12:28pm PT
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Lafta
Here's the thing. If your view is correct, there has really never been a time in our history when the power behind the scenes wasn't calling the shots and pulling their strings.
Wait, that seems kinda obvious. Let's say the question is, how evil are they and how widespread and encompassing are their conspiracies?
You might have noticed that even when you have piles of data, names and "facts" about something, the majority of folks won't believe you.
So how do you practically propose that people wake up and do something. The powers that be have effectively neutralized folks like you or caused you to neutralize yourself. The people of the world have always been under the thumb of their rulers for thousands of years.
You'll be eliminated long before any revolution could take place and install new, idealistic tools who would inevitably fall under their own spell and display their own corruption. Was Mao really better than the emperors (they obviously didn't fake the transition of power)
Who knows how establishment Obama is (or will be) I'm convinced the best hope for change is a guy with an inner compass and lots of charisma who can persuade, with the help of the change energy of crisis, the status quo to get off their yachts and do something differently
Peace
Karl
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Barbarian
Trad climber
stealth camping and hiding from the man
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Jan 21, 2009 - 12:38pm PT
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Well said, Karl!
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