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MisterE
Trad climber
My Inner Nut
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That stucco should make it a lot easier for kids to tag the structure!
Thanks, NPS!
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Next they will be making the iron door room into a gift store!
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adam d
climber
CA
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and start guiding tour groups into the Chasm of Doom!!!
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jstan
climber
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As I understand it adobe walls are easily damaged by rain when not protected by a roof. They turn back into mud. If this was the problem here the NPS faced a choice between erecting a roof (and interpretive center) or putting on a protective coating that might be later removed.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2008 - 07:10pm PT
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Jstan - the original structures were not adobe. They were brick and mortar. The "restoration" has made them into a movie set style of imitation adobe, under which lies the actual remains. The Park Services best option was to just leave it be, to let nature gradually reposess the old ranch, as it would have if we were not there. Ten years from now this stucco job will look horrible. What a joke.
See my third photo.
I have hung out in these old houses many times over more than two decades. Anyone besides me (and a few friends) ever hang out in the huge old water tank there in bad weather? It was a great shelter. Of course now it is all locked down.
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Hey, lets all jump to conclusions and get in a tissy online, while actually never doing anything about it or researching it.
Definitely looks lame... but it looks cooler than the original version with "SK8TR" carved into the brick. Thats a high traffic area, JT's equivilant to the half dome cables. Even with a fraction of the traffic, too many idiots going by that site. I'm surprised its lasted as long as it has.
Thanks to Steve for dropping the english all over your earholes.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Redlands
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"why don't they fuking FIX the damned road in Indian Cove BEFORE doing that UN-NECESSARY nonsense???.."
I don't disagree with you Lockn00b, but the reality is that NPS (and all other govt agencies) don't have one big pot of money that they fund everything out of. Funding is often specified for a certain type use or even a specific project and can't be re-directed.
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Anastasia
climber
Not here
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One thing you can always depend on is people's stupidity.
AF
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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The area where the guy and his kid were out picking up cans is an old dump site, this is where the name for trashcan rock came from. The area out there used to have many more "antiques" but over time they have been mostly collected. The "armed" response was to protect the few remaining pieces of history that remain in the area. While it may seem like old trash, these items are an important link to the history of the area and a lot of useful insight about JTNP has been gleaned from this old junk. As a side note rangers have been shot at by artifact collectors. Some people are not just out there to collect stuff to decorate their yards, some people make bunches of money digging up native american artifacts and selling them on a "black market" of sorts, they make enough money and the punishment associated with getting caught is enough to lead some to violence to protect their finds. This is why you saw rangers out there with rifles.
EDIT: When is Doug B. going to weigh in on this topic?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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I wonder if when they (NPS) should clean up all those nails and broken bottles.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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There going to start doing that tomorrow, after they install the elevator and water slides on the gray giant.
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MisterE
Trad climber
My Inner Nut
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"Hey, lets all jump to conclusions and get in a tissy online, while actually never doing anything about it or researching it. "
I, for one, am making the sincerest of efforts to accommodate your request, GDavis.
Just trying to be the reactive, uninformed citizen my president wants me to be!
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville
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Nate likes it.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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What an eyesore. Who in their right mind could have thought this was a GOOD idea?
Does this mean that the rusting old jalopy is now going to be replaced by a new Ford Mustang?
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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a convertible to be exact.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Locker sorry buddy the money cant be moved, would be awesome if it could but the law is the law.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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...I feel a Doug B coming on.....
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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LOL yeah!
you don't remember Mr.Buchanan?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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pretty fu-ked up, I have ideas about this but they aren't better...chain it off, sacred ground , do not cross signs. Prolly attract more deliquants.
Maybe only Obama can solve crap like this.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Good times!!
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