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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 18, 2008 - 12:01pm PT
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...are a problem for the right too, but you rarely hear about it.
Here's one-time Republican Presidential candidate and informal advisor to George W Bush Pat Robertson and the late Jerry Falwell engaged in their version of a circle jerk:
"JERRY FALWELL: And I agree totally with you that the Lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time that we've been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the beginning. And with biological warfare available to these monsters -- the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats -- what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact -- if, in fact -- God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."
"PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population."
"JERRY FALWELL: The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this."
"PAT ROBERTSON: Well yes."
"JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."
"PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system.."
"JERRY FALWELL: Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU and all the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out on to God in prayer and sang "God Bless America" and said "let the ACLU be hanged". In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time - calling upon God."
"PAT ROBERTSON: Amen"
And then there's John Hagee, whose support that straight-talking maverick Old Man McCain actively sought, until he became a political liability:
"The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know that there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the day of judgment."
All of them are saying that America is such a sinful, wretched place for not persecuting fags, promoting Jesus in Schools, and other supposed transgressions that we should not be surprised that God chose to smite us by allowing 9/11, Katrina, and/or other bad things to happen. In other words, we deserved it--God damned America.
If that isn't America-hating (and gay-hating, of course), then I don't what would qualify as such. That's pure, unadulterated loathing they are displaying for their country. Yet...for some reason, the hate-mongers listed above are accepted as rank-in-file conservative Republicans.
So how come Obama is the only one getting raked over the coals on this topic? Because he is a bit "exotic"? Because he is black?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Mar 18, 2008 - 12:05pm PT
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Because he is black? No
Because he is a Muslim.
Juan
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 18, 2008 - 01:27pm PT
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But they never took the name of their lord in vain, did they?
A 'preacher' using that language in church is blasphemy, but y'all probably wouldn't know or care.
Not to mention he's promoting racial divisiveness in the name of religion. WTF is black liberation anyway? I thought they were liberated 50 years or so ago.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 18, 2008 - 01:31pm PT
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"But they never took the name of their lord in vain, did they?
A 'preacher' using that language in church is blasphemy, but y'all probably wouldn't know or care."
No, not really.
But that sure is some pretty vile hate-talk those three are engaged in. Commonplace and acceptable as political discourse in the Republican party these days.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Mar 18, 2008 - 01:31pm PT
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bluering you know if you rearrange the letters of your screen name you get a...
gerbil n u
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Mar 18, 2008 - 01:34pm PT
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Mar 18, 2008 - 01:35pm PT
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I feel sorry for Dirtbag. He's obviously in a panic and trying to divert attention from Obama's stink of the day.
Dirt, although accurate, it won't work. Today and for a few days, it's all Obama twisting in the muck. It will be interesting to see if he can recover from, to say the least, stupidly hanging around with such a nut.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 18, 2008 - 01:45pm PT
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Woody, thanks for the laugh!
Panic-stricken--HAHAHAHAHA.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Mar 18, 2008 - 02:46pm PT
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I just watched a little of the 700 Club last night for some laughs. Pat Robertson really is pathetic as was Falwell. I'm embarrassed as an American that these guys are listened to by our political leaders.
Keep religion out of politics...DUH!
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Mar 18, 2008 - 02:49pm PT
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It's impossible in the US to keep religion out of politics. Religion has always been a factor in US politics and will continue to be.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Mar 18, 2008 - 03:30pm PT
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Actuslly, the influence of religion in politucs has waxed and waned through the decades in this country, as has Christian fundamentalism. The founding fathers were largely deists, which is about as far from fundamentalists as you can get. Over the last several years, there's been an upswing in both fundamentalism and it's political influence.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Mar 18, 2008 - 03:34pm PT
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The issue isn't religion in politics, its that politicians continue to beg people for endorsements who have "hatemongered."
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Mar 18, 2008 - 03:40pm PT
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RE:
"Over the last several years, there's been an upswing in both fundamentalism and it's political influence."
right,
and it's easy to understand why;
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