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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 2, 2007 - 02:46am PT
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Let the iPhone bashing begin!
(posting from Toronado bar in SF)
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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hahahahah! rock on!
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Your fifteen megaflops of fame are over.
Now, go do something useful 8-)
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aldude
climber
Monument Manor
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Does it have a camera ??
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2007 - 03:28am PT
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As a matter of fact, it does...
Apple owns!
(yet again)
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aldude
climber
Monument Manor
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prove it !!
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kimgraves
Trad climber
Brooklyn, NY
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>Let the iPhone bashing begin!
LOL
Okay, I'll start.
This thing doesn't have a replaceable battery. You have to send it into the factory. The battery only lasts for 300-400 cycles. Question: what are you gonna do when you have to send the phone in for 2-3 weeks? Go without a phone?
Wait, I know! Buy another one for $600!
Jobs is a genius!
Best, Kim
Edit: Just realized that 400 cycles is just over the one year warranty period, but prior to the ATT 2 year contract expiring. Damn he's good.
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TradIsGood
Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Phone?!
Are you sure he didn't buy it just so he could take ST with him to the bar?
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Let's not forget that you're locked into a long contract with AT&T, the suckiest of the network providers.
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wootles
climber
Gamma Quadrant
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Did you get a nice Prada bag and some new shoes to go with it?
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kimgraves
Trad climber
Brooklyn, NY
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Jobs greatest invention is not the Mac, the IPod, or the IPhone. It's the apple flavored IKoolaid that people line up to drink with lemming behavior. Apple is not a brand, it's a religion. Gotta give him credit.
Best, Kim
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BadInfluence
Mountain climber
Dak side
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you must be a sport climber
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kimgraves
Trad climber
Brooklyn, NY
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In another dissection website they said the battery had been soldered onto the motherboard. In order words, replacing the battery would be expensive in terms of labor costs. So not only do you have to do without the phone when you send it into the factory, but it's going to cost you one way or another.
If you're cynical you'd say that this machine was never meant for maintenance. It's designed as a throwaway.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Apple could come out with a real steaming pile, call it
the "iSuck" and the Appleheads would still line up to buy it.
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wootles
climber
Gamma Quadrant
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iPoop. Fresh from Jobs' own ass.
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CAMNOTCLIMB
Trad climber
novato ca
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To hell with the phone, what are you drinking?
Brian
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area
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what a nurd
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2007 - 01:52pm PT
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Ah, the iHaters™ did knott disappoint...
Wow, where do I start?
First of all, the iPhone was knott mine. I borrowed one for a few minutes...
Yes, it's expensive. Let's see - the Motorola Razr cost $499 (w/2 year contract) when
it was released in 2004. I understand it has been somewhat of a success...
Oh, and anyone remember the Motorola Startac? $1250 to $1750, and they sold plenty of 'em.
When the iPod was released in 2001, it had a 5 GB hard drive and cost $499.
All the usual nay-sayers were out in force, as was to be expected.
Hmmm, I guess the iPod did pretty well too, if I'm knott mistaken (LOL).
I wonder how many of the iHaters™ will secretly sneak into an Apple store to
check out the iPhone? Or (gasp) even go so far as to eventually purchase one
once they finally see for themselves how seriously this thing kicks ass?
iHaters pwned.
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rhyang
Ice climber
SJC
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Not surprising about the 'disposability' ... I did some work for a company doing cellular handsets in 2003; I think the usual life span of a handset at that time was typically projected to be about a year. I don't imagine it's any longer now.
btw I noticed while shipping a package at a USPS office recently free shipping bags for recycling used printer toner cartridges and old cell phones. The address was somewhere in Kentucky as I recall.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2007 - 02:10pm PT
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Kim wrote:
This thing doesn't have a replaceable battery. You have to send it into the factory. The battery only lasts for 300-400 cycles. Question: what are you gonna do when you have to send the phone in for 2-3 weeks? Go without a phone?
http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/service/battery/
During the 3 day turnaround time, you could take out the SIM card and use it
in another GSM phone.
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426
Sport climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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I hate™ backdating stock options..
Whatever happened with all that (not just apple, eh)? All the heads seem obsessed with Islam, not "true fraud"...
When was the first Blackberry post anyhoos(?)
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2007 - 02:18pm PT
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Good grief - the iHaters™ are really grasping at straws these days...
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426
Sport climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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Full disclosure, 1st gen iPod, no battery issues. Clunky but works fine years later. Posting from a G4 (10.2.8 ol'sckool) for more "gravitas"...
Never heard a (knott) a thing on Fox News about "back dates"...nor on MSNBCNN...you?
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kimgraves
Trad climber
Brooklyn, NY
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Knott,
Good try at the save.
But Priority mail to is 3 days. Who knows how they'll ship back - shipping is $6.95 so I assume also Priority mail - 3 days. Plus 3 days turn around = 9 business days = 2 weeks as I said. And since all these phones are going to fail at once there will be delays = 3 weeks.
Plus the reviews say that the SIMs don't fit in other phones.
Ergo - you're out of luck for the duration. But for $600 Jobs has an option called "IIPhone" - followed by IIIPhone the following year.
I know. I have the solution. Apple can offer phone-free vacation get-aways while they're serviceing your phone. What should they call it? How about - "The iPhoneVacation."
Listen, in all seriousness, whatever floats your boat is great. And you're right. I am going to go play with it. But I'm not going to drink. ;-)
Best, Kim
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2007 - 02:42pm PT
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Kim - that's a 3 day turnaround. Send on Monday, receive on Wed or Thurs.
BTW, my Macbook battery was eligible for replacement under the recall program.
After I called them, they sent me a new one - received it the next day.
I put the old battery in the box they provided, and they received it the next day.
Kim wrote:
Plus the reviews say that the SIMs don't fit in other phones.
Knott true. You really shouldn't read those iHater reviews. They are a wee bit biased...
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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So basically your reaction is positive?
I barely use the cell phone I have now, but I can imagine wasting time in all kinds of new ways and places with one of those.
Maybe when the $ comes down, and it's a few generation down the road ....
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2007 - 03:31pm PT
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I really had no interest in the iPhone when they were announced in Jan. In fact, I was
a bit annoyed that Macworld SF basically became iPhoneWorld™. But after seeing
them and finally getting to play with one, I want one. I neeeeeeeed one!
Browsing the web is unreal. I loaded Supertopo, then flipped the thing on its side.
I was able to read threads without having to zoom in, once the text was zoomed
enough to fit the screen. BTW, it was using the EDGE network, knott WiFi, and yet
the pages loaded fast enough (EDGE is said to be 3 - 4 times faster than dial-up).
Google Maps is fantastic. Type in an address, and the map pops up in an instant.
Zoom in by pinching fingers together, zoom out by pinching out. Switch to satellite
view with a tap. To me, this thing is worth the money for the web-browsing and maps alone.
Then you have the Visual Voicemail, which lets you pick and choose messages in any order.
I admit it - knott only am I a devout iKoolaid-drinking Apple fanboy, I'm also a gadget freak.
And as much as the iHaters hate to admit, this is (by far) the coolest gadget in a long time.
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Andrew
Trad climber
Marin
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I like new toys as much as the next guy but the iPhone, besides the cool interface and spiffy case, is missing some features that I currently have with my Dell Axim and LG Phone.
First off, here are a few features that I belive it doesn't have.
Songs as ringtones
Games
Flash Support
Instant Messaging
Picture Messages
Video Recording
Voice Recognition or Voice Dialing
Wireless Bluetooth Stereo Streaming
Standard Headset Jack
3G (EVDO on Verizon)
GPS
Removeable Battery
Expandable Storage (SD and CF)
Those are all features I have with my 2 year old PDA and my Bluetooth LG Phone. My Axim cost me $250 2 years ago and my phone was $80 last year. I also don't need a minimum service contract including $20 for the crappy Edge network.
Oh, and I currently own a MacBook, grew up with the Apple + and had a Mac SE. I still prefer using my PC for most tasks but I'm by no means an Apple hater.
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spyork
Social climber
A prison of my own creation
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I don't get it, apparently.
If a phone casts more than 50 bucks, its out of my range.
The fad waves of PDA/Crackberry/IPhone wash over me and I am left unimpressed.
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Moof
Trad climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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So far I'm on my second cell. The first one lasted 3 years till my SO accidentially washed it. I just don't understand the mindset of folks who change theirs every 6 months. It's a phone. Get a life.
Cell phones, cable TV, and hate talk radio. Opium for the masses.
We're overdue for a good revolution and herd thinning.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2007 - 04:05pm PT
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Moof - LOL!
Would that be an iRevolution™?
Speaking of opium, I wonder how many people think nothing of blowing $$$ on 8-balls of coke,
(or several hundred dollars a month on booze), and then bleat on about over-priced gadgets?
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wootles
climber
Gamma Quadrant
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Speaking of opium. I wonder how many people think nothing of blowing $$ on an 8-ball
of coke, let alone several hundred dollars a month on booze, and then moralize about over-priced gadgets?
WOW. Where did that come from? iWTF?
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426
Sport climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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yeah, heh, iwtf...I'm still 'waitin on the datin'..guess those Q-10s must have "gone thru"...
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2007 - 04:19pm PT
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I'm just sayin'...
While the only coke I enjoy comes in a can, I've been known to down a beer or three.
(and FWIW, the worst flames (by far) I ever got on rec.climbing came from a coke-fiend).
Without iDigressing too much, I took a break from the beer for a month and bought
50 ultra-light carabiners (DMM Pro Lights) with the $400.00 saved.
So I'll I gotta do is knott drink for 1 1/2 months and I'll have an iPhone!
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kimgraves
Trad climber
Brooklyn, NY
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Knott,
Your uncle Stevie has an in with the Post Office?
From the link you provided:
"How long will service take?
The repair process normally takes three business days."
Whatever. Even three days is too long for those people who live on (read do business) on their cell phones.
But contrary to your assertion that I'm an IHater, while I think this device has serious flaws, I do think the interface will open up a lot of possibilities. My "wife" who is a technology writer was telling me about a new OS that MS is working on similar to the Tom Cruise "Minority Report". Clearly touch screen interfaces are coming - I hope sooner rather than later: I hate the mouse.
I had a PDA called a Psion which had a touch screen - I loved it. Face it Knott, as you said you're a gear head. That's fine. Stevie need people to beta test his stuff. You're it. Have at it and get back to us. I'll wait for IIIIPhone just like I wait for two years to get the "latest" iteration of Windows.
Best, Kim
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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I was just thinking about that and if I didn't drink good beer for 3 months I could pay off my mortgage 10 years earlier.............nahhhhh I'll stick with the beer. I run windows and the mac OSX on my mac pro and anyone who thinks windows is better is sucking the fat one and driving around with a ol' W in 04' sticker on their car bumpers...
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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6 weeks w/no Toronado? I do knott like your chances, HK!
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Ed Bannister
Mountain climber
Riverside, CA
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Knott!
Whilst the masses were buying shoe-e-nerd carabiners,
you bought quality.. DMM.
while they were installing software with 21 steps, you did it in a keystroke.
The phone shows you only the options for the function you are in, way too easy, too logical, too clean a design, to easy to intuitively learn rather than poring over the instruction manual.
some of us just like to climb, and not be told every move to make along the way, amazing, some of us even like to do something before not touched, no instructions, no person yapping left foot, in other words,... gym climber=pc head, rock climber= mac user.... whaddayathink?
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TradIsGood
Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
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The climber formerly known as rajmit has configured my pocket PC to an iPhone like interface.
Nice fat icons for common things. Touch screen.
Having it my way
EXCEPT for that exposed LCD screen.
Fragile - no end of ways of breaking that sucker. And when it goes, you are out a luck until it goes back or other replacement mechanisms.
BTW HK.
http://www.pgatour.com/r/leaderboard/index.html
Does this work or Knott on iPhone. It sure does not on pocketPc
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Oct 16, 2007 - 12:07am PT
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posting from new iphone. This thing is bad ass!!!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Oct 16, 2007 - 02:04am PT
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iRack
iRan
great fun M
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2007 - 02:47am PT
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Nice, Caughtinside!
I guess that means that you officially have the Second Supertopo Post from iPhone!
(posting once again from Toronado via iPhone - this time from my very own)
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Apr 30, 2008 - 01:12am PT
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Bibbity bump.
Just an update. I have had my iPhone for 6 months now and I have to say the thing is great. No issues whatsoever with reliability or battery life. Really a great piece of technology.
Anyway, I just saw the article about the new version of the iPhone scheduled to be released late June:
http://techland.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/04/29/att-to-cut-the-price-of-apples-new-iphone/
It's thinner than the one I have, and it will have GPS capabilities. Which is great, I use the google maps on mine all the time and the GPS should make it even easier to use.
Plus, AT&T is dropping the price! $200. Great move, should get a lot of people in the door.
Just for the record, I'm not a mac fanboi. I love the iPhone but my laptop is a sony. There's some negative comments on the article if you want to see what others had to say.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2008 - 02:27am PT
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Dave - I have been following this rumor, and I would take it with a HUGE grain of salt, considering the source (Scott Moritz)...
More on Scott Moritz and the Jim Cramer Street Misinformation Engine
The faster 3G network upgrade is a certainty, and there have been rumors of GPS being included in the new iPhone.
In any event, nice to see this thread bumped. The iPhone has been a huge success despite how all of its glaring faults
(despite it being a 1st gen. product rushed to market) were so thoroughly pointed out again and again in this thread - LOL!
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Apr 30, 2008 - 02:35am PT
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hmm, good article you linked there.
Anyway, I went back and reread the comments in this thread, some pretty funny stuff. At the end of the day, it's just a phone. A pretty cool phone. Funny how worked up people get!
love the iPhone!
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2008 - 02:47am PT
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Here's a funny post made on the MacRumors forum this morning (post #93):
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=5379173#post5379173
Anyway, as Steve Jobs (aka God) said at the time of the iPhone release, "We are already working
on the next iPhone, and the iPhone after that". But yer right, at the end of the day, it's just a phone.
Yep, just a phone...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 30, 2008 - 11:45am PT
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I was at Christmas Tree Pass for a few days and then went down to Lake Mohave for a day on monday.
There was a guy there who had an iphone and could do cool stuff with it.
He went out on a sea kayak and took some pictures with it, and sent them to his son to eat his heart out.
When he came back to shore he had a little trouble with his "dismount".
Not having taken a dry bag with him resulted in a test of the iphone's waterproofing.
Yeah. I know.
They aren't.
After it dried out everything worked but the screen.
Doh!!!!
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Apr 30, 2008 - 12:44pm PT
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Ed, you beat me to it, but whilst they're waiting
for their new batteries, Apple puts them in the
Irack. . . .
http://gprime.net/video.php/theirack
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2009 - 12:53pm PT
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Is this the first Supertopo post from iPhone 3Gs?
Finally upgraded from my 1st gen model, and I'm glad I skipped the G3, because this thing wipes the floor with it...
Here's an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YksGbrgg5t0
That's knott a particularly data-intensive site; the difference is even more dramatic on a site like NYT, ect.
And loading games, boot-up times, app-launch times - you have to see it to believe it.
Cheers!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Jul 14, 2009 - 12:56pm PT
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Sorry Hardman but I made a 3Gs post yesterday. BOOSH
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2009 - 12:57pm PT
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Drat!
In any event, it seems that the iHaters™ indeed got pwned, and the supposed iPhone Killers™
(including the Palm Pre, BB Storm, Android, et al) are still way off the back. ;-)
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jul 14, 2009 - 12:59pm PT
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Nope. I posted from my GS the day after it came out
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 14, 2009 - 01:00pm PT
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Hey ocean dave. Looks like a wyde party @PGSF wednesday night. I'll have that ram with me I can leave ot for you @ the desk if you're nknott going to be around. Meanwhile I will console myself with my 3G. (works n the meadows!)
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Jul 14, 2009 - 04:36pm PT
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DIE IN A FIRE NATURE
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Anastasia
climber
Not here
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Jul 14, 2009 - 07:05pm PT
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I had this iphone since last year and... I have been regularly posting from it since my house internet isn't reliable. I got mine for free, and yes... It's beneficial to have generous friends who can't stand not being able to reach you. Now if this one breaks I am so addicted that I will have to get a new one. Thanks Neils, it still blows me away that you gave your old one to me. I love it!
:)AF
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
Warner, NH
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Jul 14, 2009 - 09:08pm PT
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Ummm...
All of my posts are from my iPhone...
My laptop broke.
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poop_tube
Big Wall climber
33° 45' N 117° 52' W
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Jul 14, 2009 - 09:22pm PT
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Um
I've posted while on a wall before....
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 14, 2009 - 09:57pm PT
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Tkings, weren't commodore 64's obsolete literally before you where born?
My bro has one in storage, though. My other bro has an Apple IIc (is that what it was?)
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jul 14, 2009 - 10:43pm PT
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Apple IIe ?
did they make a 'c'?
I programmed in BASIC on one way BITD (of my youth)
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Loomis
climber
*_*
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Jul 15, 2009 - 12:57am PT
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First post from an iPod touch.
Hardman Knott, how's that?
iHaters, good one!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 15, 2009 - 01:10am PT
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maybe it was IIc,
William Gibson, the prophetic Sci fi guy, may have bought the only Apple III.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2009 - 01:38pm PT
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Early in this thread, there was an obnoxious amount of static in regards to the non-replaceable battery.
Well, well, well...
My 18 month old battery in the iPhone was still going strong, although admittedly I almost always
had it plugged in somewhere (I used it mostly in the car), and it rarely had the battery go
below 50%. However, I had a problem with my in-call speaker after a pepper-spray incident.
I figured this would be a good time to get the battery replaced, since it was well over a year...
I walked into a nearby Apple Store and they handed me a refurbished (ie, brand new) iPhone
for a knott-so princely sum of $79.00 (that's how they "replace" the battery). Total time: about 6 minutes.
Put that in yer pipe and smoke it...
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Jul 15, 2009 - 01:59pm PT
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Tkings, weren't commodore 64's obsolete literally before you where born?
They may have been, but I had one up until 2nd or 3rd grade...some of my first computer experiences...playing Zork and whatnot...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 15, 2009 - 02:12pm PT
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That's really cool, Tom. I didn't get introudced to computers until learned to program basic inl college. My daughter and all my Neices and Nephew have now used computers since they were literally in diapers (except Clara who was born May 1, I think there may still be time, though)
To get back On topic though, my daughter still kicks my ass on Tetris on the iPhone!
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