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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 14, 2006 - 03:25pm PT
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Jody just called and told me who Anachronism is...
Well, well, well...
So is Anachronism gonna reveal who he is, or will he be outed - in the same spirit that
MM was? What's good for the goose is good for the gander? I'm in no way excusing
MM for anything, but why is it that someone gets to hide their identity while publicly
exposing and castigating others? I have been involved in some pretty good battles myself,
but my identity has always been readily available for anyone who could possibly care.
Don't get me wrong - I'm flattered that I have Internet Bitches™ doing Google searches on me.
But I'd like to hear what you guys think about using fake names to pull skeletons out of closets?
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anachronism
Big Wall climber
Yosemite, CA
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Oct 14, 2006 - 03:28pm PT
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nature
Never liked being an ass/dick/prick/fuxhead with my other nick.
Hell, anyone paying attetion to the other thread would have figured that out.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Oct 14, 2006 - 03:31pm PT
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cumming out is supposed to make one feel better about themselves.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 14, 2006 - 04:02pm PT
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It's a bummer folks don't just use their names...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Oct 14, 2006 - 04:27pm PT
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LEB
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=266055&f=0&b=0
it is not pretty.
when one of these tough climber dudes calls another one a bitch, it is of course meant as a deragatory term and may be male or female. however, when one says she is my bitch, there is usually some fond thoughts associated with that statement and may not be totally derogatory in nature.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Oct 14, 2006 - 04:32pm PT
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with regards to anonnymity on the internet. there was a bolt dispute in the wasatch (mp.com) where a fellow said he was going to go replace some bolts that got yanked on his route. he said we would be there at a specific time if others wanted to help. during that time, someone vandalized his house. there had been some unkind words with some others on the site. this has made me really think about not only what gets said but who is out there crazy enough to do such stuff. those discussions wee a bit weird on mp.com and anonymity IMO was the best thing.
then you look at MM's story in the thread i linked above. it is too bad.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Oct 14, 2006 - 04:34pm PT
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Guess I wasn't paying attention...
Anachronism=Nature?
So Nature is the "good guy" persona and Anachronism is the
the one who kicks the skeletons out of the closet?
Just trying to keep up.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Oct 14, 2006 - 04:37pm PT
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thats what i came up with. MM really pissed some others off, including me, by saying that we were america haters because we didnt support bush.
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cintune
climber
Penn's Woods
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Oct 14, 2006 - 04:52pm PT
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Digging up someone's dirty laundry and putting it on display just because they insulted your "patriotic" self-image isn't really the American way, is it? Kind of McCarthy-ish if you ask me. But then Anach also said it was because MM was stalking one or more of the climbing chickas here. That made more sense, given the nature of the out-ing. Exposing someone's disreputable record in terms of warning the community, that's pretty standard vigilantism. Still not sure if any of it was right or wrong, though. Depends on what percentage of each motivation was dominant.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Oct 14, 2006 - 05:06pm PT
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LEB,
my last post in that thread tells my opinion, and it is to leave the guy alone and forgive and forget.
but many think that the physician listed is MTNMAN.
so if you know the real truth and it is not him, you would really be doing him a favor by posting on the other thread, or a new one which tells the truth.
otherwise, MM was drug thru the mud because he had so many similarities to that doc.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 14, 2006 - 05:16pm PT
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(Edited, just after posting.)
Many of those posting to SuperTopo do so under their own names, or thinly-veiled pseudonyms. Certainly many of those who seem to be the "heavier hitters" - known figures in the climbing world. A good example for the rest of us. There's a tendency to take such postings more seriously, and it encourages responsibility.
It's like bolt-chopping. It means a lot more if it is done in the light of day. Posts about a person, like the deleted "I Hate Ranger X" thread last week, may contain some truth - but not knowing the source, and the motive, there's no way to assess them. A bit like graffiti. There may be legitimate reasons to sometimes conceal identity, but when it comes to personal remarks, the standard should be higher.
As Karl says, who amongst us doesn't have embarrassing things in our past, or present? And hypocrisy is a common failing - not to mention schadenfreude. Turning it another way, if MM is the "percocet" person, should he have told us about this when he arrived? If so, why? Is it possible that there's more to him in any case - climber, family, career, community, church, etc?
Our grannies mostly had it right: Judge not lest ye be judged. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Least said, soonest mended. And so on.
It's far too easy to say hurtful things in the anonymity of the internet. That ability goes hand in hand with responsibility. Being responsible for one's actions is something that no climber should need to be reminded of.
There aren't enough facts from which to judge whether MM is harassing females on ST. I believe that such behaviour, if proven, leads to revocation of posting privileges. I'm sure Chris M has experience in dealing with such problems, and if it's true can only hope it's dealt with promptly. Ostracism is the only proper response to such behaviour, regardless of the other matters.
I read the "percocet" thread. The person identified and MM may not be the same person. Even if is MM, I'm not convinced that we should shun him simply because of this. Hypothetically: What happened should embarrass him, and tells us something about his character. In context, it may not have been such a serious offence - not enough information to judge. I don't condone it in any way, but suggest some perspective. He seems to have paid his debt to society, as it were.
MM is something of a climber, after all, part of our community. Separately from other matters, I don't often agree with his postings, his beliefs, or his attitude - though he has witty moments, and does contribute to some climbing threads. His noisy style is annoying, but playing nicely is a learned skill.
Politically and religiously, there are quite a lot of Americans who are like MM. An enigma, and so something to learn more about. Even if it takes some effort. Though I could wish that his, and other's, political thread postings contained a bit more fact and debate, and a bit less noise. (Mr. long-winded has spoken...)
Capital punishment rarely seems the most effective way to encourage civil behaviour, except in clear cases.
Anders
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Oct 14, 2006 - 07:34pm PT
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Just so we don't have 100 posts sleuthing whether Dr. Doyle Tarwater, aka Mountian Man, is the guy who was busted for loose scripts, we do know this much:
Mountain man is Dr. Doyle Tarwater who is at least about the same age and lived in the same region as the Dr. Doyle Tarwater in the newspaper. He was also posting frequently right up until that post outed him for his past, then he stopped posting.
I'll bet anybody $200 that it's him.
No need for detectives. Nothing to see her.
Speaking of Jody. Where is homeslice these days? Lurking or doing a much slicker job in a new avatar?
Peace
Karl
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 14, 2006 - 07:49pm PT
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I've seen strong circumstantial evidence on the other thread identifying Mountain Man as Doyle Tarwater, M.D., but nothing conclusive so far. Nor has he (they?) admitted anything.
Yes, I was wondering about the whereabouts of Jody also. I believe that he (she?) was having some health troubles, but that was a month or two ago. Another perspective for the ST debate society.
Anders
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sandstone and sky
Trad climber
AK
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Oct 14, 2006 - 08:49pm PT
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Holy sh#t, Lois!
Finally the ideal thread for you and you missed the whole thing?
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curlie
Trad climber
SLO, CA
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Oct 14, 2006 - 08:54pm PT
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I'm pretty sure I saw the Jod-meister in a black-and-white southboud on highway one the other day.
(this is actually maculated)
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Jennie
Trad climber
Salt Lake
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Oct 14, 2006 - 08:55pm PT
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"Yes, I was wondering about the whereabouts of Jody also. I believe that he (she?) was having some health troubles, but that was a month or two ago. Another perspective for the ST debate society. "
Jody left ST forum over two months ago. He sent me an email last week, inquiring about my mothers health, and telling me about the get together in Bishop, CA he attended with his dad, John Gill and other climbers active in the fifties and sixties. Jody had some back problems but says the disability was temporary and he's doing well.
With all due respect to the fine company on ST forum, Jody is quite busy and believed his input and presence, here, was not appreciated and did not warrant his continued attendance. I believe he does look in from time to time but I doubt that he spends hours lurking, attempting to take wisdom from the praiseworthy, astute and well intentioned posts left herein.
There are some active members who believe I am Jody. I will make no great effort dissuading them. I have come to understand how important troll pointing, and related games are to ST social life. Neither will I feel any more the special for the attention. I realize Dr. Tarwater is much, much bigger game.
Jody may be reached by e-mail. I'm guessing that he would answer any sincere, civil messages directed to his same e-mail address.
Good hunting!
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NeverSurfaced
Trad climber
Someplace F*#ked!
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Oct 14, 2006 - 09:03pm PT
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Hk - You'll be hearing from my lawyers!
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sandstone and sky
Trad climber
AK
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Oct 14, 2006 - 10:39pm PT
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I followed them to the letter.
Course, I was a pysch major in college, so I may have seen this one before.
If I remember correctly, the problem is spotting the f in the word of, but I don't remember why.
Still, if you insist on calling me a genius, who am I to argue?
S&S
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 14, 2006 - 11:37pm PT
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Just see,
Lois, who even though not a so called climber as identified by the narrow minded and tunnel vision of some, can still, thru simple logic understand the basic fundamental aspects of route finding.
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