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ionlyski

Trad climber

Polebridge, Montana

Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 25, 2019 - 10:57am PT

What’s with the persons who text admin at the drop of a climber?

**your opinion.
Mine is that it is cowardly to insult people from behind a pseudonym.
Not that Jody did this. He didn't. We all know who he is. I did not agree with his banning**

JohnM,
It's not yer job. Nobody needs a Do-gooder around. How are we to know who you decide should go and who should stay? So you didn't agree with this one you say? And who's to say the Mods actually take the time to read and decipher the complaints you point them towards? More likely you've become their little Quisling and they tend to act on your opinion.

Stick up for the underdog and the oppressed sure; by participating in the forum in an open manner, that's how you show you're not a coward. Don't go pulling strings back behind the curtain.

Don't know who is Quisling? Of course you don't. Find yourself a good mirror and then google it. A snitch in the end never obtains the respect of either side.

Arne

edit-and to the other do-gooders as well, not just JohnM

John M

climber

Jan 25, 2019 - 11:40am PT

a traitor who collaborates with an enemy force occupying their country.

hmm.. nope.. I don't except your terms.

.. this isn't "your" country.

The owner of the forum isn't the enemy.

Third.. Power crux was a little pisser. I am happy that he is gone. Over the years we lost way too many good people who posted great content because they got tired of dealing with the pissers who pollute the forum.

At a campfire I would have faced him down. Online he wouldn't reveal who he was, so he gets no respect from me.

There have been climbing forums where there were no rules. They don't exist anymore. Do you know why? This is a loosely controlled forum. Its up to us how we manage it.

As for the bannings. There are two levels of banning. Complete removal which is what happened with power crux. You don't come back from that except by creating a new account. There is also deactivation, which is what happened with Jody and others. Its not that hard to come back from deactivation. You just talk to the owners, it used to be Chris, I don't know who owns the forum now. But Chris was always easy to get along with. He would just ask you to dial it back or not post offensive things like the blue butt plug picture that got Locker banned first. Locker complied with that and came back. Successive banning were for other reasons. The primary reason that these people don't come back is because they have too much pride. They think they should be allowed to do whatever they want and no one should be allowed to say different. Well, this is not their forum. Its up to the moderators.

So what you are saying is that no one should speak to the moderators about anything. Well, did you know that Ekat was stalked and harassed by a nut job on the forum? A genuine nut job whom she had to call the police on. Is it being a narc to expose that? At what level is someone doing some good, and at what level is it being a narc?

Tami left the forum because she was tired of dealing with the pissers. If no one speaks up, then eventually the pissers run the place. But you would just let them be. I didn't agree with Jody's banning, and Warbler and others, but that isn't my decision. both of those people could come back if they would just talk to the moderators.

oh.. and by the way. Power crux tried to get me banned. That post was deleted when he was deleted.

madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Denver, CO

Jan 25, 2019 - 11:46am PT

^^^ Thoughtful points above. I seriously don't know what's best, so I'm glad it's not up to me.

I do find "people" like PowerCrux to be a "pollution" in discussions, but I could just ignore him. And I'm sure that some find me to be a "pollution."

We definitely need to be thick-skinned to argue here, but some do go beyond the pale.

Uhh... I now realize that I'm just rambling. But thanks for the thoughts of BOTH of the first two posts.

ionlyski

Trad climber

Polebridge, Montana

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2019 - 12:41pm PT

Its up to us how we manage it.

But its not. It's not your forum to manage it. The stated agenda (many times) by the site owners was that they didn't want to moderate it. Thats not an invitation for you to then moderate it.

Ekat is a friend of mine. If she or another was under attack, I would defend them if I thought they could use the help. Because John if you don't like somebody, you have demonstrated you can have them removed. Kristallnacht?

Arne

ionlyski

Trad climber

Polebridge, Montana

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2019 - 12:56pm PT

One more thing. For the record I was never a fan of the completely un-moderated forum. I just don't like it when its discussing members take it on themselves.

I always felt if every member was REQUIRED to register with at least their first and last name, we would have a lot more accountability that counters offensive posting. I know many are not comfortable with that. Others have said when they registered they tried and the system wouldn't let them establish that as their moniker and to that I say, you can still occasionally sign your posts, indicating you stand behind them.

Arne Boveng

mtnyoung

Trad climber

Twain Harte, California

Jan 25, 2019 - 12:56pm PT

...but I could just ignore him...

This just seems so, so easy to do. I really enjoy the political threads on Supertopo. But it seems easy enough to just skip over stuff that's nonsense.

...and I'm sure that some find me to be a "pollution."

Not going out of my way to be nice, Madbolter, but um, no, I don't think anyone here could see you as a pollution. Your posts uniformly have a certain level of respect and logic. So, even when you're espousing nutcase views, they belong in a conversation, they don't need to be skipped over.

Oh, and I should probably add a wink: ;)

John M

climber

Jan 25, 2019 - 12:57pm PT

so what.. you afraid I won't like you and have you removed? Is that what this is about?

There isn't anyone here who doesn't acknowledge that power crux was a pisser. But you are cool with letting the pissers run over the place. Duly noted.

And by the way. I didn't "have" anyone removed. I don't have that power.

And Chris isn't the enemy.

Edit: you are basically saying that the mods don't have any brains and just do what anyone tells them to That or I have some super power connections. If thats true, then Woo hoo.. Maybe now they will fix the private message system.

My point about saying that power crux asked to have me removed was to demonstrate that the mods make up their own mind about who is being a d#@&%ebag.

ionlyski

Trad climber

Polebridge, Montana

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2019 - 01:10pm PT

**so what.. you afraid I won't like you and have you removed? Is that what this is about?

There isn't anyone here who doesn't acknowledge that power crux was a pisser. But you are cool with letting the pissers run over the place. Duly noted.

And by the way. I didn't "have" anyone removed. I don't have that power.

And Chris isn't the enemy.**

Not afraid. But I see what you've already started. Your sly little twist. You copy and paste your shallow google search and call them "my terms". I did not like the virus Power Crux and you've got me siding with he/she now; as you say, duly noted. And then you got me calling Chris an enemy. Be pretty easy now for you to finish crafting your campaign on me.

The point is, nobody liked Quisling because he used a privileged position.

Arne

John M

climber

Jan 25, 2019 - 01:12pm PT

Don't have a privileged position. see edit above.

And by the way.. you started in on me.

Edit:

And then you got me calling Chris an enemy.

Edit:
you are the one who used the term Quisling. I posted its meaning. So you are the one trying to make like Chris is the enemy. Not me. I think he is a good guy who is reasonable and will decide for himself what needs to be done.

madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Denver, CO

Jan 25, 2019 - 01:16pm PT

So, even when you're espousing nutcase views, they belong in a conversation, they don't need to be skipped over.

Thank you; I did get the implied, and then explicit, wink.

:-)

ecdh

climber

the east

Jan 25, 2019 - 01:22pm PT

its not so much cowardly to insult from behind a pseudonym, its cowardly to insult over the internet.

its also just poor form; insult the opinion or the premise by all means, but insult the individual and your forfeit the argument.
its so simple, but of course some people wont, and we can blame them for the mire of bullshit argument many conversations degenerate into.

John M

climber

Jan 25, 2019 - 01:32pm PT

ECDH.. I mostly agree with your position. I have no idea why Arne decided to single me out and insult me since he agrees power crux is a pisser, and that Chris is not the enemy.

If a person is stinking up the forum. adds nothing decent. won't identify themselves, and won't listen to reason, then what are people supposed to do? Ignoring doesn't work. we have lost too many good people who got tired of dealing with the pissers and so left. We used to have long threads about complaining about this. Then the spam thread got started and that became the easiest way to deal with an issue. If the mods don't think a person is being a d#@&%e, then they don't get rid of them. If the behavior is out of line, then the mods deactivate them and give them the chance to either defend themselves or change. If the person is given multiple chances and still doesn't change, then they get deleted.