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HalHammer
Trad climber
CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 8, 2004 - 07:07am PT
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How does this whole gear exchange/borrowing thing work in climbing?
Curious- say you been a trad climber for a few years & yah have at least several close climbing friends. Now say they want to try a big wall but need 3 sets of cams, do you loan them the extra set?
If so, why do you loan it? What do you expect in return? What if they lose/break something (yah I know lot of climbers are strapped for cash on the road).
Also, say you are at some local crag and the guys next to yah don't have a #4 camalot to protect the crux move of said route do yah let 'em "borrow" yours? What's the reasoning here? Why would/wouldn't yah?
FYI when I did the Prow I had an extra portaledge, haulbag, aiders, 2 sets of cams, 2 sets of nuts, 2 daisy chains, 2 dozen carabiners, etc all borrowed from 8 random "friends" half of 'em I had never met in person some was a loan from an already loaned deals. Anyway seemed like everyone that was friend of a friend or ours wanted to help us out to suceed. Just wandering what's the reasoning behind this? How does it work? What are the expectations/consequences? I know I loan stuff out to me bro's on weekend trips etc fairly often...
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dave
climber
Oceanside
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Just like you would anything else you own. What kind of relationship do you have with your gear and the borrower, do you have extras, will lending out hinder your own goals, negotiate the final responsibility of lent gear(ie. if lost who replaces?)Whats the big deal if you're at a crag and someone next to you needs a piece you're not using? Some people, no matter what, dont like to lend gear out. Others have no problem with it. I guess it ultimately depends on what type of person you are. There are no hard fast rules. Make your own rules, mine are, if you lose it, or fix it, you but it.
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TW#T
Gym climber
san diego, ca
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easy solution, if theyre doing the better climb, they get the gear. If you want to climb (thats a no brainer), just run the route out.
EASY TIGERS
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Skinner
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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I would agree with the tw#t, just don't use any gear or make them use less gear and have them run it out. If the route is so much better then they must be gnarly, they don't need the gear...especially if they're a bunch of tw#ts. If you loan your gear and something happens to it I think typically you can make them pay one way or another.
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Satan
Social climber
South Central LA ( HELL )
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I don't loan gear. Make the lazy bastards get a job or rob a liquor store. Or, they can just forget wall climbing and hump gear for Dr. PeeTon. Bottom line - if you're a cheap sonofabitch and can't afford your own gear, consider giving up climbing and becoming a prostitute.
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HalHammer
Trad climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2004 - 03:57pm PT
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Right on thanks yall, I'm doing an ethnography study on climbing for a big college project. Was missing data on how "goods" (gear) exchange works in climbing culture, but this should fill the hole in.
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Satan
Social climber
South Central LA ( HELL )
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Actually, I don't mind lending defective gear. 'Biners that fell off of the Leaning Tower or from 20 pitches up the Nose. Ropes that sat next to old batteries in my trunk. No problem there................ 'cause I ain't gonna use it.
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C-DUB
Trad climber
Laguna Beach Ca
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This is a cute thread. Whats next; How to tell your partner you used their knew rope for a couple swan dives off leaning tower.
Don't slip in the drool-Laterz
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anachronism
Trad climber
Yosemite, CA
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I let you borrow it....
You return it or I kill you (or buy me a new one)
If you screw it up I kill you (or buy me a new one)
If you drop it I kill you (or buy me a new one)
If you send the route, and you used my gear, and I get it all back, I don't kill you (AND you buy me a beer for letting me use your gear).
D'uh.
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