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Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 26, 2017 - 06:00pm PT
Archaeology related:

A 130,000-year-old archaeological site in southern California, USA
If you are familiar with North American Archaeology, this pushes the time of the first human habitation of North America way way way back. If this pans out this will rewrite the story of human history (the currently accepted story is already on shaky ground).

I almost blew this off until I realized it is being published in the journal "Nature".
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature22065.epdf?referrer_access_token=TMlvgFUzLwUsy75oUBL78NRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Odq55Wqltd4FPUqYwCTOB2IrOnkHrOr5WzFT30V6_TbY7PwInhMMjNI58ONaoIaiXM-iqyCQZZba5NFldbiemob17fPNwmbGABFJX42ZVx89qAO6uLTROTOgRg8xw-Ujt7hESBMdwvlOLxs3TsbkD_t9-k1H9Ha8GaLBW6uWLEiGq9iLNsZVK6lHIaLcx_HIL35SBJ0MG4SATLtyEWtG62HUzdSkgQfSTEft_KfTv5FPbiT_MNDDA7UhFhESpnoFw%3D&tracking_referrer=www.livescience.com

So, they found these mastadon bones near San Diego on a highway project back in the 1990s. Funny thing about the way the bones were arranged and even more interesting was how they had been broken. It looks as though they had been smashed with rocks. Some of the very rocks in question were also found near by, showing signs of wear.

I know, I know, this sounds pretty hard to swallow, but these guys have done their homework and are prepared for the onslaught of criticism and skepticism.

Here's a link to a more layperson freindly article:
http://www.livescience.com/58851-humans-occupied-north-america-earlier-than-thought.html?utm_source=notification
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Apr 26, 2017 - 07:14pm PT
I'm not buying it. The mastadons didn't die off all that long ago either. They still find complete specimens frozen in the permafrost.
I would say these guys are trying to make a name for themselves, or get some attention by outrageous claims in my archaeological opinion.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Apr 26, 2017 - 07:27pm PT
I would say these guys are trying to make a name for themselves, or get some attention by outrageous claims in my archaeological opinion.

Ha! You Johnny-come-latelies just can't accept the idea that some of us were here before you...

Poo on you! Mastodon poo!
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 27, 2017 - 04:37am PT
About 15 years ago most archaeologists were dismissing the find of Homo floresiensis as just a dwarf human. Now, it is listed in the textbooks as a separate species.

http://humanorigins.si.edu/multimedia/videos/hobbits-flores-indonesia
Rock!...oopsie.

Trad climber
the pitch above you
Apr 27, 2017 - 05:38am PT
These findings confirm the presence of an unidentified species of Homo at the CM site during the last interglacial period

Probably wandered down from Fresno




(Sorry, yes I am a juvenile moron)

Seriously though - this is a significant find but hardly anybody is going to buy it entirely until at least one other site of vaguely similar age is found. Which I hope they do because I always like a good scientific dust up.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Apr 27, 2017 - 07:10am PT
Interesting stuff. But 25 years to publish? Questionable time span.

We live in the age of crashing paradigms.



The evidence at this site could mean many things. How about this one: Alien eco tourism doing the "cave-man" adventure by coming down and hunting big game with sticks and rocks just for the sport of it.

Ya gotta keep the eyes open and the mind sharp.
c wilmot

climber
Apr 27, 2017 - 07:19am PT
There is a good chance the first people's in North America came from Europe. Unfortuently because of our PC culture it's unlikely that will ever be acknowledged -even if solid evidence showed it to be true. To even suggest the theory is somehow seen as racist.

Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 27, 2017 - 07:33am PT
Yes, Wilmot, you're talking about the Solutreans, whose stone tools look suspiciously like Clovis points. And on top of that, there were more Clovis points found at a few sites on the east coast than in the rest of the continent put together.

But this would predate the Solutreans by 100,000 years! May not even be our species!
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