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KEK
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 15, 2006 - 01:38pm PT
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I am in the market for a new rope. I have hade several Beal Flyer II's 10.2 Dry treatment that have served me well, but I am thinking of trying a Mammut "Supersafe" Coating 10.2. Anyone have any thoughts? This rope would be for trad only climbing, single and multi-pitch.
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climbrunride
Trad climber
Durango, CO
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Oct 15, 2006 - 07:13pm PT
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Great choice. They make beautiful ropes. I've always liked Mammut's "feel". Have fun!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 15, 2006 - 07:22pm PT
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I absolutely love my Supersafe but it is one of the world's biggest bummers they don't make it in a bicolor. For that, you have to drop to the Eternity 10mm which is essentially the same rope as the Supersafe (i.e. thicker sheath % and teflon coated) but does come in a bicolor.
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ikellen
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Oct 15, 2006 - 07:24pm PT
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The supersafe is one of the burliest ropes out there, other than 11mm wall ropes. I believe it's rated to 10 or 11 falls. However, it is pretty heavy for a 10.2mm rope. If you're just cragging with it, it's great, but if hike more than an hour to get to your spot, you may be hating life.
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TradIsGood
Fun-loving climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Oct 15, 2006 - 07:56pm PT
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I have been using Mammut 10.2 since March (sadly only 11 days so far - bad luck this year). Trad and TR. It sometimes twists, but I am beginning to suspect that may be a function of the reverso, since my previous Blue Water did the same thing eventually.
Thanks, to Kate and Joe for recommending it when I asked about it this spring
I like the rope. It came in green with factory middle marking and end markings. Sure, I would prefer bicolor/bipattern, but have found that the markings are quite visible. You just have to watch more closely than the bicolor. The markings are way better than the rope markers, which always seem to wear off.
It was not advertised as a teflon coating in the spring. Not sure if that is new, marketing hype, etc.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 15, 2006 - 08:31pm PT
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No, it is definitely not hype and the teflon has always been integral to the Supersafe. Both the core and sheath fibers are saturated and it very much contributes to reducing friction and them not cutting easily. The also don't "fuzz" up over time like most ropes. I beat my last Supersafe near to death over two years of anchor replacements to the point where the middle marks disappeared and I had to put re-mark it with blackberry stain. It's been hauled through mud, been cranked over hard edges, and machine washed with Dr. Bronner's about 20 times - they are burly ropes and I intend to have my beat one tested at some point to see how it has really held up. These are the only ropes aside from a big wall rope I'd take up a route with sharp edges and risk of a rope being cut or cored.
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Holdplease2
Big Wall climber
Yosemite area
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Oct 15, 2006 - 08:34pm PT
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I finally retired my Mammut supersafe. I retired it due to trauma, though it doesn't show any wear. The sheath is not fuzzed, no core shots, and thats with hanging, jugging, falling, everything. It's even been used as a haul line.
I replaced it with a new Supersafe, and I do put in a vote for Mammut making bi-color available on what should be one of their flagship ropes. C'mon, Mammut. You're a no-compromises company, stop forcing us to compromise to use your products. Grrr. (but with little hearts, too.)
I love the supersafe, however, my lead line of choice is thinner, a 9.8 Mammut (I think its 9.8) and its bicolor. After straying to Maxim and Sterling, I can't tell you how great it feels to be climbing on Mammut lines again. They are just beyond sweet.
I'm glad to hear yours is working for you, TIG. :)
-Kate.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 15, 2006 - 08:38pm PT
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Oh, and for as odd a reason as them not making the Supersafe in a bicolor, they have been back ordered on Eternity, 60m, superdry, doudess' forever with apparently no end in sight - what's with that...
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Holdplease2
Big Wall climber
Yosemite area
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Oct 15, 2006 - 09:02pm PT
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I talked to Mammut a while ago...
They used to use a pattern called the Triodess or Triosafe, where the two ends (like 15 feet) and the middle were a different weave, but this made the rope so expensive that nobody would buy it.
I wouldn't doubt if they are going to their triosafe marking for all ropes to reduce cost. Their ropes are already so expensive and there are many rope companies to choose from.
But I view Mammut ropes as premium quality, so I pay a premium price. I also expect to have premium options, such as bi-color or at least bi-weave ropes. So its almost like they want to be a premium priced brand but then they stop short.
-Kate.
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