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neebee

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calif/texas
Topic Author's Original Post - May 25, 2015 - 07:50pm PT
hey there say, all... thoughts are on many, but just this year:

MEMORIAL DAY... focused on one, for me...
focus on any situation, you may... but:
i accidentally, had this one come to mind...

was visiting, neighbor, in back, and subject came up;
his co-worker was william thurkettle



my friend, is 84, and said that his co-worker had
SIGNED the book, IN HARM'S WAY, for him, at a meeting somewhere...
nearby here, in michigan...

as i looked through the book, the first thing that hit me, as i opened it was:

the list of name, on front, inside cover, and on back...

I JUST CRIED... i mean those SAD deep slow little tears that trickle down and do not stop... :(


i had hear the story, as a youth, but had never heard more 'personal details' ... then, as to skimming through the book, as we i visited for coffee, there... it got more deep and real than 'just the story we heard, as kids'... (though sad and awful, as i found it to be then--it was far worse, as an adult to see and know how all these kids felt)...

and how NO one came as to their hoped expectations... :(



my neighbor's friend, was a quiet man, at work and never talked about his life, just did his work... but they were friends, there...


the worse, thing, as to all this, as well:

i learned that the capt: received HATE MAIL, REGULARLY... his wife had to try to collect it and keep it from him...
after her death, from cancer, he faced this alone...

the book, shared better on how this 'last day of his life was'
he shot himself, after all this... was very very sad...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_B._McVay_III[/quote]

On 6 November 1968, McVay committed suicide by shooting himself with his service pistol at his home in Litchfield, Connecticut, holding in his hand a toy sailor given to him by his father.[8] He was found just outside of his back porch by his gardener.[9] Though a note was not left, McVay was known by those close to him to have suffered from loneliness, particularly after losing his wife to cancer.[10] McVay also struggled throughout his life from vicious letters and phone calls he periodically received from grief-stricken relatives of dead crewmen aboard the Indianapolis.[10]


http://www.ussindianapolis.org/mcvay.htm[/quote]

(THESE are just part of my post, here, not sure why they got stuck in the quote, that i used for the link??)

he was court-martialed, as well, as to this attack and loss of his ship, and men...

i never knew this, until tonight, when i read the book...
from what i saw in the book, his men stood up for him...

you should really read it... as, you will get the full scope of all this...


NOTE:
for those that don't know--they really expected someone would find them, far sooner... but NO ONE was looking for them... :(

so very terrible, the end area of the book, mentions of course, how these young men, gravitated BACK into life, after all this...

(there are some reunions places to check out, on the web... and the book mentioned the pilot who found them--BY ACCIDENT, due to trying to check-out his broken antennae--was ALWAYS MOBBED with loves, when he went to these, and 'hailed as an angle')


as terrible as this whole situation was you, it would do well to folks to read this...

folks might have more compassion on others, if you 'walk a mile in their boots'...


you JUST DO NOT know, what folks that have seen war, and loss of good buddies or comrades in arms, go through...

they are all around us, working, trying to live again...
and have faced courtmartials that seem bizarre, after finding themselve in something beyond them, that suddenly came upon them and their entrusted job... and crew, a crew that they held dear... :(

http://www.ussindianapolis.org/index.htm[/quote]



will remember this and the book, now, and his co-worker, and the other survivors, NOW GONE, of course, as to old age (not sure if any are here, as, i did not look that up, yet)...


but--some of YOU may very well have heard tell of this, THROUGH YOUR OWN family members, or dad, or grammpa's co-workers, or friends...


amen, they are remembered... this eve...
oh my...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2015 - 08:01pm PT
hey there, say...

here is an added quote, to go with what the book was talking about, which, might?? at that time, of writing of the book, been fully resolved, or admitted to:

The ship's captain, the late Charles Butler McVay III, survived and was court-martialed and convicted of "hazarding his ship by failing to zigzag" despite overwhelming evidence that the Navy itself had placed the ship in harm's way, despite testimony from the Japanese submarine commander that zigzagging would have made no difference, and despite that fact that, although over 350 navy ships were lost in combat in WWII, McVay was the only captain to be court-martialed. Materials declassified years later add to the evidence that McVay was a scapegoat for the mistakes of others.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2015 - 08:20pm PT
hey there say...

oh my...

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(this one has awful music taking away from his speaking, sadly)
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Rollover

climber
Gross Vegas
May 25, 2015 - 08:42pm PT
Thank you for the share..
Quint's tale in Jaws always piqued my interest as a child.
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Sad end for McVay..
He could have become quite the war hero in the annals of history for his ship delivered THE bomb to Tinian, which was used on Hiroshima only weeks later...
Instead he became one of history's greatest scapegoats..
And scarcely received a footnote.
Such a human toll in such a dramatic time in history...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2015 - 08:58pm PT
hey there say, rollover...

say, i had also seen this, as a kid, and it promoted me to learn if it was 'really real' as, you KNOW how the movies, are--you don't always know...

so i went and read about it ...
thanks for sharing... it may be one of the few doors open, to the younger generation, to find out what some 'kids' went through, in life, due to war...

they men were very young...


EDIT:
WOW, say, rollover... i had read of this 'boy' in wikipedia , but had to wait a bit here, 'til i checked it out...
and--at the offical uss indianapolis website, THE BOY, did do the very thing that the wikipedia, said, as to the SCHOOL project...


and wow:
HERE IS WHY, he got started, i just read, there:

due to this VERY clip that you showed and wow, it DID reach another generation, at that!


from the offical web site, hit the links, to read the rest of the story:

Although the first organized effort by survivors to clear Captain McVay's name did not commence until 1960 when the Survivors Organization was formally established, it was never able to gain sufficient public attention until 1996 when an eleven-year-old boy, Hunter Scott, for Pensacola, Florida, saw the movie "Jaws" and was moved by the very accurate soliloquy of one of the actors who explained his hatred of the sharks by telling his story of surviving the attack upon the Indianapolis.

When told the actor was describing an event which was true, young Hunter began researching the story for what became an award-winning school history project but then, still fascinated, pursued it further, obtaining addresses of all survivors to whom he sent a questionnaire. One of the questions was whether they felt Captain McVay's court-martial was justified and his conviction fair.

As he subsequently testified in a hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee on September 15, 1999, "all of the responses I got back were unanimous, and most were strongly worded in outrage and anger" over the Navy's treatment of Captain McVay.

These responses set Hunter Scott on a crusade to clear Captain McVay's name. Because of his youth, he attracted media attention which, in turn, attracted the attention of the Survivors Organization and that of his member of Congress, Representative Joe Scarborough. This led to invitations, first to the 1996 survivors' reunion in Indianapolis, then to join a group of survivors in Hawaii in 1997 for a short trip on the nuclear submarine the USS Indianapolis.

It also led to a 1997 promise from Representative Scarborough that he would introduce legislation in 1998, and plans were made for Hunter and a group of survivors to travel to Washington to support Scarborough's Bill.

http://ussindianapolis.org/resolution.htm




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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 26, 2015 - 02:40am PT
Very interesting and tragic neebee.
I knew a little about this, but is a piece of history I'll learn more about. Thanks for sharing this.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Topic Author's Reply - May 27, 2015 - 11:53am PT
hey there say, survival... i am still amazed at the what the one school boy, did, after he saw the 'jaw's version' of this story, and HAD to LEARN what this was really all about...

*he then went on to do that project, that brought 'clearing the capt's name'
BACK out into the 'light' and helped to get things FIXED...

it is amazing what one moment in time, can do, to change something, in the life, FOR good: even of someone that one never knew...

wow...


shared this with my mom and two friends, since then...




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