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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 21, 2015 - 10:11am PT
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People have been saying the end is nigh for nigh on a year now.
Others have said it can't happen. People will always gather to talk about climbing.
It HAS happened before. Are you familiar with maggots?
If you go here you can see an archive of the Powdermag.com forums.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010604142747/forum.powdermag.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro
Those of you that spend time on the TGR forums will recognize most of the usernames there. How did they get from one to the other? How come members on TGR refer to each other as maggots?
In the early 2000s the Powder Magazine forums were by far the most popular forums within the skiing community. Located on powdermag.com, they referred to themselves as powdermaggots. It was a self moderated forum and if you screwed up (or were new) people would hammer you.
In 2003 the owners decided it was time to make a change and they brought in a moderator (Daniel). He began banning people and removing their content. The masses revolted. They moved to TGR. Powdermag forums no longer exist. There are right now (on a Thursday morning) over 1300 members viewing the TGR forums.
Interestingly, TGR has recently added a climbing forum.
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Grippa
Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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May 21, 2015 - 10:18am PT
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yea f*#k this place.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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May 21, 2015 - 10:19am PT
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It's Armageddon all over again!
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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May 21, 2015 - 10:24am PT
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now if only the same thing would happen to Facebook.
changing some words:
In 20xx the owners decided it was time to make a change and they brought in big money interests. They began adding more and more sponsored content. The masses revolted. They moved to xxx. Facebook no longer exists.
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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May 21, 2015 - 10:37am PT
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Rec.climbing, rockclimbing.com, bouldering.com, and boldering.com, around and around we go. I think a lot of people saying it won't happen mean exactly the phenomenon you're describing, if not here, somewhere similar.
In the beginning this place wasnt Camp 4, it was the online deli/deck. Realtime posting of speed records, trade route beta for Euros and the occasional Valley neophyte. The change into the Old Climbers home is a relatively recent (4-7 yrs)phenomenon.
Frankly, with more of the original monkeys dropping every day, I think pulling the plug is only fitting. In the mean time it's been nice to pull up a chair and watch the vandals run screaming from a fire they created.
TL:DR. If your "home" is owned by a corporate entity, this is always a risk. If you want a free for all to say and do as you please, host your own forum.
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jonnyrig
climber
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May 21, 2015 - 10:48am PT
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Nah, it's going to be around forever. It will simply be run by the PC crowd. The only place you'll be allowed to tell someone to f*#k off will be if the conversation turns to bolted cracks and/or whether bouldering and pink-pointing constitute real climbing. Even then, you'll get a reprimand if someone takes offense.
On the plus side, when you DO get the boot, all your commentary will evaporate, leaving the other portions of conversation there to look like schizophrenic commentary to their better selves.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 21, 2015 - 11:25am PT
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The only place you'll be allowed to tell someone to f*#k off will be if the conversation turns to bolted cracks
Bolted cracks? Did someone say BOLTED CRACKS!!!!!!!
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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May 21, 2015 - 11:27am PT
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All forums have a limited lifespan. Overmoderation is a small part of it. I think more has to do with changing technology/boredom/etc.
Also the concept that a "climbing" forum be only about climbing related topics is a short-sighted one. There are only so many ways to rehash the same mostly-dry "climbing" material. People participate in forums to interact with each other's personalities and explore other common interests.
Those interests might be base-jumping, firearms, photography, politics, etc....
And it takes about 20 seconds to create a new ID through a proxy. I never understood how "banning" would be technically effective.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Topic Author's Reply - May 21, 2015 - 02:13pm PT
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Besides that, someone like Ron would be pretty hard to miss with his elegant flair for the written word.
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RRad
Trad climber
Escondido, CA
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May 21, 2015 - 04:31pm PT
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All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
A lot of talk about moving on to greener pastures or whatever, there are some things that will not move on, things that will stay here, things that a long time lurker like me have been greatly inspired and touched by for the last 13 years or so.
You probably know what I mean and I don't want to give a lot of examples since it could be painful and perhaps considered poor taste. But here is one example:
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/TR-I-Love-the-Desert/t147n.html
If supertopo actually closed down, what would happen with all the posts from people who only exist in our collective memory? What does that mean to you?
All those memorials posted over the years, I guess by the nature of the internet they will be ephemeral, not sure why that would surprise me, but surprised I am, and a little saddened by the idea.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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May 22, 2015 - 10:28pm PT
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I'll admit I bookmarked a gold panning forum the other day.
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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May 23, 2015 - 12:30am PT
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I will say,a lot of the "spice" here is disappearing.People wanting to cleanse this whole rig are getting their way,and it's not for the better.
It's turning Rated G (minus).
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coolrockclimberguy69
climber
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May 23, 2015 - 01:13am PT
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Someday a real rain will come and wash all the scum off the site
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 23, 2015 - 01:22am PT
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Supertopo is not done, and has outlasted a lot of digital campfires already.
It's not over moderated by a long shot.
Besides, it's not as though Ron were the heart and soul of supertopo, possibly just the loudest member.
If you went to the trouble to list all the quality members still here, it would be extensive.
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