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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Aurora Colorado
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 29, 2014 - 12:47pm PT
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Long's Peak, Pike's Peak, Mt. Evans, Gray's Peak, Kit Carson Peak, Mt Princeton, etc. etc. I live in "Arapahoe" County and am almost sure that Native Americans lived in this area some time in the past.
Is it possible that people lived here for thousands of years and never named any of the mountains? Which is a better name, Mt. McKinley or Denali? No contest there! I want to know the REAL names of the 14ers and refer to them that way from now on.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 29, 2014 - 01:02pm PT
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You're going to have your work cut out for you. Even if you were to find out what some particular Indian band called a particular mountain, how would you know whether some earlier band of Indians didn't have a different name?
And by your own logic, the existence of an earlier Indian name would make a latter name be something other than a REAL name. So what's the point?
(And I have no idea whether Indians commonly named random mountains; most of the 14ers are deep in mountain chains and would not have necessarily have any special significance to Indians. I think it should be pretty obvious that the concept of 14ers is a "white man's" concept.)
Oh and there is no apostrophe in Pikes or Grays or Longs, so you may want to brush up on your English names first!
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Aurora Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2014 - 09:22pm PT
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Got quite a few of the Arapaho names. I will need to contact some professionals to get better transliterations.
English Name Arapaho Name Arapaho Meaning
Pikes Peak heey-otoyoo’ long mountain
Longs Peak and Mt. Meeker neniis-otoyou’u there are two mountains
Arapaho Peak hooxeihiinenii beiinese’ Pawnee fort
Grays and Torrey’s Peaks heenii-yoowuu anthills
Hallett Peak bonoh’oon-otoyoo’ thunder peak
James Peak hooxee hookute’ wolfs canine
Estes Cone and Wind River Clifffs nenees-otoyou’u there are three mountains
The Cascades, RMNP niiinon the tepee
The Cascades, RMNP beteee-t nono’ei the Arapahos danced there
Taylor Peak 3owonooxowoo the (hair) bangs
Neota Mtn hote’-itee sheeps heart
Never Summer Mountains nii-cii-biicei’i it is never summer there
Old Man Mtn hinen toh-3i’okut where a man sits
Mt. Olympus and two nearby mountains neneb-3i’ei’itei’i near RMNP they face to the north
Sawtooth Mtn niisootoxu-3i’ heetoh-wo’teeneihi-3i’ where seven Utes (were defeated)
Shadow Mtn, Echo Mtn, and Lookout Mtn beniis-otoyoo’ hariy (pine-covered) mountain
Collegiate Range and Mount Massive hiwoxuu hookuhu’ee elks head
Gianttrack Mtn hinenitee toh-nooxeih-t where a (giant) person left tracks
Crystal Mountain hiinoox hoono’uu ?
Deer Mtn cenii3-otoyoo’ entering/inside mountain
Porphyry Peak hite3oun-okoy sandhill cranes lodge
Prospect Mtn biixuut the shirt
Lily Mtn hebes-okoy-otoyoo beaver lodge mountain
Saddle Mtn bih’ih toh-niibei’i-t where the mule deer sings
Harm’s Peak nii’eetei’i tih’ii-kou’uni’-i where white turnips are gathered
McHenry’s Peak to Stones Peak beniix-otoyou’u bald/bare mountains
Mt. Alice and the peak to the west bei3e’ee-no heads
Middle Mtn neneehii3ei’-otoyoo’ middle mountain
Mummy Range nooku-bee3ei-no white owls
Mummy Range, mountains to the north of this range nenonxootei’i northern bodies
Specimen Mtn heetoh-xouu’oo’ where it smokes
Sawtooth Mtn nii’eihii-nohuux eagles nest
Stones Peak, Mt Julian, and area between wox-eihtoo bears paw
Stones Peak, Mt Julian, and area between wox-se’eihtoo bears foot
Strawberry Peak and neighboring one wox-otonou’u bears ears
Strawberry Peak hiwoxuu tih-kootoo’ni-3i’ where elk are trapped
Thatchtop Mtn hii3einoon toh-ouuhu-t where a buffalo herd climbed up
Thatchtop Mtn hee3éb-teesí’ towards the top
Medicine Bow Mountains 3ooxone’ at the (womans stone) hammer
Medicine Bow Mts, northwest-most hills hooksee3oo tepee liner or protection
Flat Top Mtn heebe3-booo big trail
Flat Top Mtn hee3éb teesí’ there on top
Owl Canyon wonoo3ee3i’ hookoh’o’
the hammer mountain range 3ooxone’ noho’oooyoo’
Sheep Mtn tih-noo’oeenootee’ ni’ec-i’ where there was a camp around a lake
Signal Mtn toxu’oo’ husei to’uut sharp womans hammer
Signal Peak honooxoen-otoyoo’ wolf mountain
Steep Mountain heneecee tees-noho’kuhnee-t where a buffalo bull was chased up on top
Baker Pass heeyeisoo-no’ toh-’ouu-3i’ where young falcons hang (in the wind)
Thunder Pass bonoh’ooo-ni3esoo’ thunder pass
Millner Pass bih’ihii-booo mule deer trail
Buffalo Pass heneecei-3esoo’ buffalo pass
Table Mountain hiikono the lungs
Garden of the Gods hó3o’uu níit-ko’ús-i’i stars where they fall to earth
South Platte River niinenii-niicie tallow river
Lumpy Ridge 3ee3i’otoyoo’ lumpy mountain
Devil’s Washboard ho’nookee-nooxeb rock spring
Eagle Rock and School Section Rocks nouuteeyoono’ bone pipes
Boulder héétoh-bíí3oonóó’ where it is steep
Boulder híí3einóón níit-bíí3ihí-3i’ hoh’éni’ buffalos where they graze on the mountain
Boulder noowóo3-ííteen Left Hands band
Estes Park heet-ko’einoo’ where it is circular
Estes Park cenouut-oobe’ steep land
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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What sound does "3" make, or is that a transcription error?
Arapaho Peak - Pawnee fort
Heh, white people named it after an Indian tribe that named it after a different Indian tribe. And a couple more I found interesting:
Never Summer Mountains - it is never summer there
Old Man Mtn - where a man sits
Middle Mtn - middle mountain
Lumpy Ridge - lumpy mountain
Coincidence, or derived from the Indian names?
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Bill Mc Kirgan
Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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Modern names conjure images that can be translated into modern native words.
Some of that works, and some is a bit awkward.
Can we ever know the original native image/symbols for these peaks?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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They called them:
*Bump
* Nuther Bump
* Don't Go That Way
*Too Cold Up There
*Go Around
*No Food Up High
Stuff like that. :)
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Aurora Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2014 - 11:28am PT
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There is a whole explanation of the transliteration symbols, what the number "3" means and so on. That kills all the names. Should just use the closest English letter approximation.
I think a lot of these came from the work of someone named Toll, who wrote a book on this. As part of the campaign to get the Estes Park area named as a national park, they got the Arapaho to tell them the names of all the places now in RMNP. That's why this list is heavily skewed towards Estes Park. Lumpy Ridge and some others are English translations of the Arapahoe names. I got these from a list that includes many different kinds of places, in half a dozen states, and just picked out the climbing/hiking areas.
There's one I forgot, though, which was my original idea for researching this:
English Name: Vedauwoo
Arapaho Name: Vedauwoo
Arapaho Meaning: Earth Spirit
 Paul
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