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TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 6, 2010 - 12:24pm PT
The U.S. Air Force's secrecy-shrouded X-37B unmanned spaceplane returned to Earth early Friday after more than seven months in orbit on a classified mission, officials said. The winged craft autonomously landed at at Vandenberg Air Force Base.

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TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2010 - 12:28pm PT
May 16, 2010 - 09:31pm PT


A German named Eugen Saengler invented the idea back in 1935 with his Silbervogel.

It requires a great deal of energy to change the orbital plane of a spacecraft; almost as much as the energy to launch it. Saengler published papers proposing a vehicle that could descend into the upper atmosphere and use aerodynamic effects to change its orbital plane, and then skip back off into space like a skipping stone on a pond.

The USAF picked up on the idea in the late 1950s with the Dyna-soar space program as a successor to the X-15. In my opinion it was for various reasons our best idea for space vehicles. That program produced the X-20 and X-24 that proved the re-entry concepts that were later used for our Space Shuttle Program. Dyna-soar was canceled in favor of a civilian space launch program: the Vanguard, that didn't turn out too well.

The X-37 mini-shuttle is somewhat of a revitalization of that idea. It was sitting partially forgotten in a hanger at NASA Dryden for years, and I was privileged to spend hours crawling around admiring it. Recently the USAF picked up on the idea and launched it. It can stay up much longer than a couple of weeks.

I don't know much more than that as to what the USAF has in mind for it, but it's not difficult to imagine the advantages of an eye in the sky that can rapidly change orbits.

There are several commercial ventures that are currently taking advantage of the research done for the Dyna-soar program. I am a big promoter of the idea of a very small vehicle that is closer to a powered skydiver than a spaceplane.

Another German, Alban Geisler, is developing this idea with his SkyRay and Gryphon; with a version marketed through SpelCo. They have made many hundreds of test flights. The mini-jet turbine and solid-rocket powered Gryphon wing is air-launched at high altitude from a cargo plane with a skydiver pilot in a pressure suit, with fly-by-wire flight stabilization, seamless transition from aerodynamic control to thruster control, and helmet-mounted full avionics display. I think this idea will have the same impact on space travel as the personal computer relative to mainframe computers.

Edit: Correction: I think the one I visited at Dryden was the somewhat similar X-34. My list of X-vehicles has gotten a bit out of date and I need to revisit my homework.


bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 6, 2010 - 02:07pm PT
pretty cool.

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/photos-x-37b-robot-space-plane-landing-101203.html
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 6, 2010 - 03:23pm PT
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/photos-x-37b-robot-space-plane-landing-101203.html

Pretty cool.

C'mon, how hard would that be to make it a manned space plane.

I think they could do it. Perhaps it can't obviously stay out there that long, but it seems it could shuttle a pilot or 2 to the ISS and back.

USAF has much more than they let on. C'mon over 40 years ago we went to the Moon. What more do you have?

Me thinks lots.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 6, 2010 - 03:26pm PT
Craft are far more efficient if not burdened with life support systems.
howlostami

Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
Dec 6, 2010 - 03:32pm PT
You could rig it up for basic life support, but you'd need to completely redesign it to maintain acceleration levels that humans can withstand. As is right now I bet dollard to donuts that the g's both on launch and reentry would scramble the hardiest hard man.
howlostami

Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
Dec 6, 2010 - 04:13pm PT
Ah, thanks for pointing out my logical misstep DMT :) Let's do it! Load one of them fancy suckers up with some piggies and see what happens! Worst case is we end up with scrambled squealers, which sounds delicious. Best case is... well, hell, PIGS IN SPPPPAAAACCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OacAgQO9vvo
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 6, 2010 - 04:43pm PT
G-force may be less of a problem if the astro/cosmo/taiko nauts are floating in water during acceleration.
Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Dec 6, 2010 - 06:58pm PT
I think the connection between the return of the X-37B and the departure of the SoCal Missile are both obvious and frightening.

Yeah, if you are wacko conspiracy theorist that still belives it was a missile "launched" off California, then likely you'd be nutty enough to believe anything.



G-force may be less of a problem if the astro/cosmo/taiko nauts are floating in water during acceleration.

Won't help. Maybe Ed can come up with some inertial dampeners.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2010 - 07:38pm PT
Check out the Dyna-soar...my favorite historical space program:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-20_Dyna-Soar

Rokjox's picture is the X-24B which was part of that program

Edit: Acceleration at 3.5 G for 9.5 minutes can get you into orbit (i.e. US Space Shuttle).
The Russian Soyuz is substantially less kind to crew.

TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2010 - 09:02pm PT
personal flight:

http://www.spelco.eu/library/media/solutions/Gryphon.pdf
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2010 - 02:15am PT
Dream Chaser Model Drops in at NASA Dryden "NASA Dryden supported helicopter air-drop flight tests of a 5-foot-long, 15-percent scale model of the Sierra Nevada Corporation's (SNC) Dream Chaser spacecraft design under a Space Act Agreement between the two organizations. The company's planned full-size Dream Chaser vehicle, based on the NASA HL-20 lifting body, is designed to carry up to seven people to the International Space Station and back. The vehicle is slated to launch vertically on an Atlas V rocket and land horizontally on conventional runways."

http://www.onorbit.com/node/2736
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 19, 2010 - 02:16am PT
Wanna take a ride?
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2010 - 02:18am PT
China Launches Beidou-2 L2 the 7th Satellite in Compass Navigation Satellite System (with Video), SpaceRef

"This afternoon at 3:20 p.m. EST China launched the Beidou-2 L2 satellite he 7th satellite in their Compass Navigation Satellite System. The satellite was launched from the XiChang Satellite Launch Center in near Liangshan in Sichuan province on a Long March 3A rocket. This is the 15th successful Chinese launch this year."

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1485


TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2010 - 02:21am PT
Yeah, this place is going nuts. I wish my boat was capable to go explore the asteroid belt...

Captain...or Skully

Big Wall climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
Dec 19, 2010 - 02:23am PT
Me, too.

Our future lies there. But you would know that already.
Cheers!
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