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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 19, 2010 - 12:12am PT
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Ha ha, not what you thought, ehhh. I know I should have put OT in the ThreadHead, but I am feeling impish, so I suppose this may be a troll, but wait, it does have its merits (I think).
Okay it’s past midnight here in Dublin and I am listening to loads of classic rock on Today FM.
And it got me to thinking, along with the YDS/Brit etc rating thread as well.
Regardless of who has the better rating system or best rock climbing, us Yanks do have to concede that for a small nation, our friends in Britain have a pretty good record of class rock acts. (And come on lads, you are a small nation… I know, I lived and worked there for some seven years. Why California alone is almost twice the size of Great Britain in area, and just to add, Cali is larger than Japan or New Zealand).
But for our Anglo/Saxon/Norman/Celtic/etc friends
For Example: Cream, Who, Beatles, Stones, Zepplin, Queen, Bowie, Traffic, Yardbirds, Animals, Kinks, Moody Blues, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Def Leppard, Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Electric Light Orchestra, Procol Harum, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, and Donovan (okay, rock/folk/pop).
Though for even a smaller nation, my current home Ireland hasn’t done too bad. Van Morrison/Them, Boomtown Rats, U2, Rory Gallagher, Thin Lizzy, Horslips, to name just a few.
But…
Dead, Jefferson Airplane, Tom Petty and company, Dylan, Springsteen, Lynrd Skynrd, ZZ Top, Hendrix, Allman Brothers, Doors, Huey Lewis (I think so), Zappa, Iron Butterfly, Creedence (ok CCR), Steppenwolf, Three Dog Night, Boston, Canned Heat, Country Joe et al, Chuck Berry
Tubes (umm, punkish rock?), Alice Cooper (glam rock)…
… Monkees, (ha ha, I couldn’t resist, so to be fair, I’ll add Herman’s Hermits and Dave Clark Five to the Brit bag)…
…and of course, Santana (saw him here in Dublin on September 29 at the O2, he’s just as good as when I saw him in 1973 at Berkeley Community Theater).
Though I do realize that many of the mentioned bands had a ‘ mix’ of nationalities, that is a Yank in a ‘Brit Band’ and a Brit in a ‘Yank Band’ for example. Such as CSNY (2 yanks, one brit and a canuck).
Or indeed, found success ‘elsewhere’, ie Hendrix in England (Isle of Wright) before the ‘big time’ here in the US (several of my cousins grew up neighbors with Hendrix on Capitol Hill [Seattle], and used to play stick ball with him, and said at 14 he had the best band around, of course he was a lot into jazz and blues back then).
Okay, some may have been one-hit or one-album wonders, or something like that, but they all contributed some classic tunes.
So next to jazz (and blues) good ole rock’n’roll, well, rocks.
Disclaimer: I also understand that there have been some darn good bands from other countries than US and Britain. But this is sort of Brit rock compared to Yank rock.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Oct 19, 2010 - 12:25am PT
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I also understand that there have been some darn good bands from other countries than US and Britain. But this is sort of Brit rock compared to Yank rock.
Ah, Patrick, not only is it Brit compared to US rock, it's Brit rock from ages past compared to US rock from ages past. Which I guess is fair enough on a forum where Yosemite is worshipped as the center of the rock climbing universe (see, just brought it on topic for you).
Looking at your selection of bands, it's pretty clear the US was lagging way, way, behind (well, except for the Doors) back then. Probably lagged even tiny (population-wise) Canada.
But what about today? Is rock dead? As dead as rock climbing? (I met Dick Cilley a couple of months ago. He was headed up to the Upper Town Wall at Index. Not to climb, but to drop a rope down something and mini-trac out. "Climbing is over" he said.)
But since you brought up Rory Gallagher, you might give a listen to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZGYcRmyrcI&feature=related
and this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ee6b3Ezt0Y
Rock may be dead in the US and UK, but it is alive and well in Japan.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Oct 19, 2010 - 12:29am PT
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Looking at your selection of bands, it's pretty clear the US was lagging way, way, behind
Except almost all of the British bands back then got famous copying American blues artists.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Oct 20, 2010 - 04:36am PT
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Which I guess is fair enough on a forum where Yosemite is worshipped as the center of the rock climbing universe (see, just brought it on topic for you).
Ok, so where IS the center of the rock climbing universe?
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Patrick Oliver
Boulder climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Oct 20, 2010 - 06:55am PT
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U.S. lagged?
The Doors and Hendrix alone were leaders in rock and made up alone
for anything the U.S. didn't have. But Dylan so far exceeded everyone,
in terms of pure innovation... merging folk and rock, as it were (though he didn't describe it that way)... The point of blues being foundational is true, of course, although all the great bands in both countries have roots in various genres, such as to early folk... i.e. Woodie Guthrie, upward through Peter, Paul, and Mary... And don't forget Cat Stevens in England or Clapton (I think you must have said Cream), and Clapton was one of those who at any early aged looked to American blues... and of course Simon and Garfunkle were another group simply off the charts for their
originality, a brilliant, prolific group... along with Jefferson Airplane that really set big standards all of their own. Really good songwriters, such as Leonard Cohen (Canadian, spent much time in America, kind of thought of as American, same with Joni Mitchell)... wow, in some cases simply one of their songs was enough to make them an icon... (Susanne...). All sorts of other American groups I could name... no lag at all, in any way, shape, or form. Many of the Brit rockers followed Elvis and early American rock... and were heavily influenced... This is four in the morning, so I'm half asleep... I have visions of The Band, another outstanding grass roots group...
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Oct 20, 2010 - 09:35am PT
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Zappa stands alone as a creative force.
With Captain Beefheart hiding in the shadows......
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Oct 20, 2010 - 09:48am PT
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What do these artists have in common?
The Byrds
Grateful Dead
Rolling Stones
Jimi Hendrix
Hoyt Axton
U2
Dave Matthews Band
Neil Young
Bryan Ferry
Pearl Jam
The Allman Brothers
Richie Havens
Jeff Healy
Indigo Girls
Taj Mahal
Dave Mason
John Mellencamp
Mountain
Eric Clapton
Widespread Panic
Bobby Womack
XTC
Michael Hedges
Joan Baez
The Animals
Judy Collins
Joni Mitchell
The Chocolate Watchband
Steve Howe
Marianne Faithfull
The list could go on and on.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 20, 2010 - 10:35am PT
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Jimmy Carl Black: Frank was good, but Beefheart was the real thing.
For what it's worth, the Father of Rock (and every other kind of music):
Bach rocks!
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Oct 20, 2010 - 12:24pm PT
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Especially Hoyt. He festered on it for a really long time, as have the Indigo Girls.
BWA HA HA hahahaaa!! Haven't we all festered on it?
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Oct 20, 2010 - 04:02pm PT
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Best British Rock: Tyrannosaurus Rex (Marc Bolan) pre-T-Rex.
Best American Rock: Led z... no wait, Deep Purp.... oops,, uuh Black sss..... um ...
Best American Rock: Ted Nugent!!! Wang DAng Sweet Poon-Tang!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Oct 20, 2010 - 04:08pm PT
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What do these artists have in common?
I have no idea. Most of them are human, so that could be it. Probably most of them at some point recorded songs written by either Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen -- but then, so has just about everybody.
I give up. What do they have in common?
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 20, 2010 - 11:19pm PT
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Bach?
You think the Blues men of the south had heard Bach?
Why do you think they hadn't? Syncopation, "blue" notes, it's all in Bach. Rapper's polyrhythms? Bach did it all.
Or that African druum music was influenced by bach?
We're talking western music. Bach is its God and Gould is his prophet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB76jxBq_gQ
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Oct 21, 2010 - 12:28am PT
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What do these artists have in common?
Probably most of them at some point recorded songs written by either Bob Dylan
DING DING DING!
My friend from Seattle is the winner.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 21, 2010 - 11:01am PT
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i still don't think the blues men had heard bach..maybe though
who knows- playing out of a plantation house or something?
Everyone is exposed to all sorts of musical influences, directly or indirectly. I'd hazard a guess that a lot of those Delta Bluesmen heard it right from the source.
Joplin was a classically trained musician, and his idea was that rags would be part of the classical bag, along with minuets, gigues and such. At the same time that Robert Johnson was selling his soul down at the crossroads, William Grant Still was in Harlem writing the Afro-American Symphony. It's not like Still or Joplin came from money, btw.
If you've never heard the Afro-American Symphony it is worth a listen, it's very bluesy. It should be played more.
And Richie Havens does the BEST Dylan.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Oct 21, 2010 - 11:13am PT
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