Trip Report
Learning to fly upside-down over the Sierra! Speed wing descents in the Sierra!
Thursday November 17, 2011 11:27am
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Whippin' some 360's over Mammoth Rock
Whippin' some 360's over Mammoth Rock
Credit: DaveT.
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Amigos! Had a great season with most of you guys in Yosemite this summer/fall, it was great seeing all you climbers out there! But- The Yosemite season is winding down, so I am once again back in Bishop. Flying and climbing over here is unreal. The best anywhere! (the third and last vid in this TR is the reason for the report. Can skip the text and first two vids if you wish)

Less than a year ago, I hurt myself flying in the Sierra. I became over confident and started to do acro maneuvers with my speed wing before I was ready to. It started with snap rolls, which led me to multiple broken bones, which then in turn led me to a proper learning curve. Ha!



I used to do the snap rolls when I was extremely stupid and under experienced. Spun the canopy while executing one, was broken for two months, nearly died. Spun it while upside down, the helmet cam footage is sickening, have not posted it yet. Here is a vid of these super-sketchy rolls, remember I have less than thirty flights at this time, and had never flown a PG as well-


http://vimeo.com/20180350


OK. So after the accident, I did not go over the top of the wing for over 200 additional flights. Started flying PGs mid summer in the Owens alone, got pretty good pretty quick. Multiple 40+ mile flights over the crest of the Sierra. Got mentored by a few great speed wing and PG pilots (thanks Chris I., Stephan H., and Armond D.!) Now have my P3, and fly every day.

The point is this- I did not know how dangerous I was being, as I did not have the experience and background to be flying so close to terrain and flying inverted aerials! Do not be as stupid as I was! It hurts!

When I felt ready again (be conservative!) I started by tightening my spirals and 360's. I soon started to see my shadow on the wing, I knew I was getting above it. This vid has an example of this-

http://vimeo.com/31030606

So I continued to tighten my spirals, and slow them down to get the SAT out of the rotation (no more flick rolls with this big of a canopy).


Now in this video, you can see the progression of the three maneuvers. The first maneuver seems to be a 360 spiral with lots of altitude lost. The second is a bit tighter with less loss of altitude. The final loop is quite close to the ground (look at the tree tips before the loop) and is very quick, and it felt that I was once again directly above the canopy.

http://vimeo.com/32263958

What do you think? Are these rolls or just tight spirals? I guess it does not matter sh#t, as the smile on my face is priceless, and most importantly- I feel safe again! Well- safe enough considering I am flying upside down at 60 mph!


-Dave Turner
Bishop, CA

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DaveT.
About the Author
DaveT. is a big wall climber from southeast face portaledge.

Comments
YoungGun

climber
North
  Nov 17, 2011 - 11:51am PT
Wow. Sketchy!! I was going to say "YER GONNA DIE!!!!!" but in this case it might be true. Good luck with the learning curve
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
  Nov 17, 2011 - 12:08pm PT
Man do you like to Yank on those Yonkels!!! Slow is Fast my Friend. . .d
elcap-pics

Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
  Nov 17, 2011 - 01:04pm PT
You be crazy boy!!! YGD!!!
Gilwad

climber
Frozen In Somewhere
  Nov 17, 2011 - 01:45pm PT
I don't even know what to say. I hope those moments in the air make the time spent in hospital worth it. I've been flying paragliders for almost 20 years and speed flying for a few; I recently quit speed flying as it just didn't seem worth it anymore to me. Watching a friend turn into a quad had a bit of an influence on that decision. We're all gonna die or get maimed doing these sports eventually, we have just have to figure out what risks are worth the experiences along the way.

You've already spent time in the hospital so you know your judgement isn't perfect. Do you want to be doing maneuvers low that require perfect judgement each and every time? Are those moments worth not being able to climb, run around in the mountains, etc? If you've done the math and are stoked then great, I hope it works out for you. My friend isn't so stoked right now.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
  Nov 17, 2011 - 03:11pm PT
I'm all for doing the craziest stuff in the safest way possible.

Do acrobatic moves, but do them with enough altitude to recover if something goes wrong.

Always have an out and a back up plan.

It's like base jumping. If you are base jumping do you really have to do tandem jumps where you can get tangled in each other's sh#t? I understand when you want to film, the best camera angle is always on another jumper, but to just introduce danger for the sake of danger is idiotic to me. How do you push the limit and introduce more rad stuff, but in the safest way possible. That's what's cool to me.
PAUL SOUZA

Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
  Nov 17, 2011 - 03:25pm PT
Awesome!!

Dave, we met at the bridge earlier this summer. This may jog your memory:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctB0Pv1qzd8


How much does a rig like that run??


nopantsben

climber
europe
  Nov 18, 2011 - 10:52am PT
take care man...

we need to climb next year
was awesome to hang out!
cheers
Kristoffer

climber
  Nov 17, 2011 - 03:35pm PT
Some animals were meant to fly… ...just happens that Turner is one of them.

Paul, just under 2k for that Gin Nano you posted a photo of.
briham89

Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
  Nov 17, 2011 - 03:47pm PT
holy crap. YER GUNNA DIE!!! seems all too worthy here... unfortunately
Gagner

climber
Boulder
  Nov 17, 2011 - 04:21pm PT
Sweeeeet Dave ... rad stuff. Good to see you in EC meadows a few weeks ago!!

BITD I went parapenting for the first time with Earl Redfern and the Yates brothers. No lesson really, just doing it. Awesome fun, though sure seemed like a good candidate for breaking bones....

WOO HOO!!

Paul
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
  Nov 17, 2011 - 04:33pm PT
I don't get it, Dave. What's wrong with just flying straight? Why don't you take up something safe, like unsupported solo first ascents of Grade VII big walls?

You really are going to die.

Sorry we won't get to hang out on the bridge any more. Condolences in advance to your mom, and [this week's] girlfriend.

P.S. Can I have your bridge gig when I'm between walls?
DaveT.

Big Wall climber
Mammoth Lakes
Author's Reply  Nov 18, 2011 - 10:41am PT
Maybe you guys missed the point of the post?

Was to show the evolution from being ultra sketchy and self taught, to flying in control and being a more experienced licensed pilot.

How high I am off the ground does not really mean anything to me, as I know how much I will drop with each maneuver. There is no reserve parachute with speed wings- fuyk up the maneuver and you will hit. Point in case- do not mess up. Know what you are doing. Get tons of flights in- a hundred or two, then rip it up. Pay your dues than have fun.

Speed climbing, solo climbing, B.A.S.E., alpinism, expeditions, well just about anything fun is dangerous in our world. The key is stay in control.

OK- was the last post of mine on this site relating to flying. haters....


elcap-pics

Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
  Nov 18, 2011 - 01:29pm PT
Lighten up Dave... the folks are just giving you some shite for a laugh... it is easy to see that you are a valued friend to many of us and we would really be hurting if something were to happen to you. I don't see any of the comments as hateful .... just really concerned, that's all. I personally am glad that you survived the early days of flying and are taking a more serious, informed view of it now.
Fly on my friend!! See you at Mammoth this winter!
Tom
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
  Nov 18, 2011 - 01:44pm PT
Thanks for sharing. That's looks like it'd be a blast, but it's above my scrotum shriveling and toe curling threshold.

I find the comments from the pantywaist gallery annoying too. In any group of people that partake of an activity that involves some measure of risk there is going to be a spectrum ranging from the pantywaists to those that push the outside of the envelope.

In some circles I'm sure that the likes of toadgas and others who have commented negatively or with dire warnings would themselves be considered reckless daredevils with a deathwish and would be warned likewise.

Keep flying.

Scott
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
  Nov 18, 2011 - 02:13pm PT
I don't tell people that they need to solo or else they're not alive, so I don't appreciate it when people tell me I need to not solo or else I won't live.

Maybe it can't be helped when you care about others and you see them doing sh#t that's way, way beyond your comfort zone, but he ain't a 5150 as far as I know, he's over 18, it appears to make him feel more alive and brings him joy--this sure doesn't seem to me like some kind of cry for help--and there're plenty of people out there that actually do need saving.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
On the road.
  Nov 18, 2011 - 02:18pm PT
That looks fricken awesome, Dave, scarier than sh#t but awesome!

Have fun and be safe, eh?
poop_tube

Big Wall climber
33° 45' N 117° 52' W
  Nov 23, 2011 - 01:59pm PT
Hey Paul! That's me!hahahah

It's true we are all gonna die. Doing sports like this MIGHT make it happen sooner.

Dave is a very good pilot, one of the best I've seen, his accident rate isn't very bad, especially recently now that he's done so many flights. He knows the risks all too well. It's just the game we've chosen.

I just flew again last weekend after breaking my ankle. So many people asked me, "are you going to do it again?" My response was, "why not? It's not like I didn't know this could happen to me to begin with."

Stay stoked stay safe (as possible)
Klimmer

Mountain climber
  Nov 24, 2011 - 01:22am PT
Speed climbing, solo climbing, B.A.S.E., alpinism, expeditions, well just about anything fun is dangerous in our world. The key is stay in control.



Dave,

You are doing incredible things. Stay in control and don't push the envelope too much. Fly to fly another day. Listen to Will Gadd. He's been flying a long time and has incredible experience.

Have fun, but stay as safe as you can while doing it.


Personally, I like to fly high and fast (or slow depending on the conditions) rather than low and slow (or fast). Terrain clearance is safety. But, hey, that's me.

Speed gliding is another animal all-together. Low and fast, no reserve. Be careful.
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