Trip Report
Grandes Jorasses North Face
Monday December 5, 2011 6:16pm
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Disclaimer: A more detailed report with shoots from the climb will be added once a magazine article is published and there exclusivity to pictures and full story is not in force.
A trip up the north face of Grandes Jorasses climbing some kind of variation of the original Croz start on to Bonatti-Vaucher and exit via No Siesta. If you want to read about our epic attempt on the Bonatti-Vaucher a few weeks earlier its found in the last link.
After the widely published and tragic accident on the decent from the “Shroud” route on the Jorasses where a Guide and his client where lost in a fierce storm, the weather cleared up and I felt a desire to go back and try the north face again by a route variation in better conditions than the “Bonatti-Vaucher” route where I had had an EPIC a few weeks earlier.
In order to move fast we needed to travel light and try to avoid spending two nights out in the open; so we started from Montanvers just before midnight after sleeping 6h in a warm room. As we knew the start of the route we opted to start up the north face the same way as before. It might be worth pointing out that its not super clear to me where the line of the routes are located excactly. Anyway, in my opinion it was the most natural and fastest line given the conditions we had during our trip.
We climbed the start in the dark and as we got to the steeper ground the sun was coming up over the horizon. It’s spectacular to see the magic light over the mountains. No one can have enough of that. I'm not sure exactly how much of No Siesta we climbed but in order not to take any credit from teams who did No Siesta in its full I'd say we did parts at the top. No Siesta and Bonatti are really close to each other, that’s for sure. Anyway after the traverse and the ice ramp we headed out right on the Croz wall and found our way up the steep rock and mixed ground. It was steeper than Bonatti but more importantly the rock quality was better. That said it was still a bit lose and flakey... but still really good sustained climbing.
At around 4pm we reached a good ledge and where pretty wasted after 16 hours on the go so brewing up and getting settled in for the night felt great. It was not the Hilton but compared to the bivy options on Bonatti I'd say we had something better than any Hilton could offer! It was not super cold but given that we had skipped proper bivy gear we did not sleep that well. At 4am we brewed up two liters of tea that warmed us under our jackets. We left the bivy quite late (7ish). We had hoped to top out at around 3pm that day but we were a bit slow and the climbing was really sustained so we toped out just after 5.15 pm. We had climbed without water all day just downing Clif gels and Clif Blocs so the first thing we did was brew up plenty of nuun sparked tee and nourished ourselves with oatmeal and recovery powder, raisins and almond flakes.... Yummy....
Tactics
Robert Jasper had encouraged me to take 70 meter ropes in order to reach better and safer belays so we did that. We brought one 8.2 mm dynamic rope and a 70m 6mm semi static tagline. We had no jumars but hauled on two pitches and I think that was just a pain in the ass. On one of the steep rock pitches I ended up clipping my pack in to a cam and then it was dragged up.... Going light was the right call even if it was quite cold. With the accident fresh in our minds and having had a rescue from the wall only a few weeks before it was a bit of a gamble to skip proper bivy gear but it paid off to climb with a small 28l pack both in terms of speed and comfort. The forecast was stable and we had "sms service" so we knew we where good. If you gamble on the margins you had better be prepared and know your gear is good for a night out even if the temperature drops below what has been predicted. We had plenty of gas so we kept warm by hydrating during the night. It worked for us.
After finishing brewing we started down trying to find the Bocalatte hut in the dark night. That was not such a great call as we managed to miss the hut and ended up spending a second night outside. That was not part of the plan but it was fine and quite flat and given how tired we where at this point it did matter that much where we had our bivy.
What about grading?
The climbing is for sure harder than that on the Bonatti route but the belays and climbing are better protected and the route had ice in the upper parts so it felt safer and less exposed. Not bad compared to the Bonatti epic. Even if I'm not sure its right to claim a repeat of No Siesta it was a really great route we climbed on the great north face of the Jorasses and the way we climbed it, I'd say the grade weighs in at around VI WI6 M7 6b/R A0 (compared to Jaspers free VI+WI6 M8 E5, I like the idea of an E grade for this type of route).
Climbing this variation of what ever it is was definitely a dream come true for me. IN ORDER TO AVOID ANY CONFUSION I'M NOT CLAIMING A NEW ROUTE WAS CLIMBED, JUST A VARIATION OF EXISTING ROUTES. I'm not claiming anything with this just giving the variation a name to distinguish it from the original that was climbed in far better style by Korra/Mercier Griffith/Sim the Spanish Manuel Córdova y Mikel Zabalza, Robin Reverest and his friends to mention a few who climbed No Siesta this fall. I think this variation is a natural line and a bit more easy.
Another route I had dreamed about doing since I was a kid was the Gabarrou-Silvy on Aiguille Sans Nom north face (VI WI6 6c M9, 1000m the grade of the free Slovenian version), completing a winter ascent in March 2009. At that time I thought it was by far the best route I had ever climbed and compared to Petit (No) Siesta, I'd say Gabarrou-Silvy is much grander and a bit harder. The superlatives I can keep spraying out about that route are endless. Ok, its less exposed so yes its less committing and its less sustained; but the start is super hard and if you do it free I think it can conjure full-on action even for most of today’s hardcore, cutting edge superstars! Back in 2009 we pulled on some gear and did our best and I think the way we climbed Gabarrou-Silvy we said the grade was V WI6 M7 6C A0, at that time.
About the attempt ending in a rescue 150 meters from the summit... A few weeks before....
Photo: Our approximate line of climbing in red (Petit Siesta) and the yellow our Bonatti attempt with high point and bivy marked.
http://e9climbing.blogspot.com/2011/10/bonatti-vaucher-on-grandes-jorasses-and.html
Comments
e9climbing.blogspot.com
Mountain climber
Political Alpinist with no Political affiliation.
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Author's Reply
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Dec 6, 2011 - 01:56am PT
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Any one heading for the Alps to tick off some of our alpine classics, don't hesitate to ask for conditions and weather information.
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Sonic
Trad climber
Golden, Co
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Good of swore I read about that rescue somewhere else, but awesome stuff nonetheless!
its on my 5 year plan
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e9climbing.blogspot.com
Mountain climber
Political Alpinist with no Political affiliation.
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Author's Reply
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Dec 6, 2011 - 05:54am PT
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Yes the S is pronounced
It was good to go back and even out the scores from the rescue.
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e9climbing.blogspot.com
Mountain climber
Political Alpinist with no Political affiliation.
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Author's Reply
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Dec 6, 2011 - 11:21am PT
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I'm not a nativ speaker so I asked a friend to edit the text. I will post it. I looked through other TR/s and understand that's how its done. Sorry new to this.
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e9climbing.blogspot.com
Mountain climber
Political Alpinist with no Political affiliation.
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Author's Reply
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Dec 6, 2011 - 02:18pm PT
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Ok I hope this is more in line with the TR style here. One issue is to get the photos between the text locks one and one and not in batches, any one who can tell me how to edit that?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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The scale of that cliff still amazes me after more than 40 years. Thanks for the TR and links.
John
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sjellison
Mountain climber
Range of Light
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BUMP!
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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that snow/ice apron looks like the obvious line.
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KabalaArch
Trad climber
Starlite, California
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I still can't puzzle the pronounciation, even after trying to teach myself French - which is probably why I can't speak it!
According to my pc's 'spellCzech," hell, I can't even articulate myself!
Like, what does it rhyme with? George-Ass's. Or..schwa-r-ahh (zezz?)?
Sorry, I'm quite serious! Like, if I'm expected to get on a plane...the nearest int'l is like LA...6 hrs drive...fly over there like 12 time zones...expect a similar (how, exactly, does EU get to Cham...do folks over there take Road Trips? Oh, I guess there are trains, with passes...to JhYo'asses! No dirtbagging? (freeriding?)
Seriously! I wanna know! How is it pronounced (Parlez) in Angles!?
In The Meantime:
Thank You For Your Report.
I have yet to wear a pair of crampons that doesn't fall off.
On the other hand, that might be because the only pair I've yet to owned came from Russ McClean's garage sale. I only bought them, along with a totally useless milk crate of '60s pitons, because of his FA to the Oasis via Lucifer's Ledge...I think TH did Angel's Approach to Lucifer's...but, of course, I forget. Fell on my head too many times.
So, what's up with this? Since reading Bonatti's books (and still trusting his namesake 'biners, when they're probably worth more recycled with my alum cans)...What's It Like to Climb an:
ALP?
Seriously - when I look down from your first bivoauc site, and I compare that photo to one of Bonatti's scratchy old '50's photos of The Shroud, The Walker Spur...something seems missing, or at least out of focus.
Like - does it snow over there any more? Or did we loan it all to Greece? Seriously - I know you're all in stitches by now - I'm on a big roll...that is the most damning evidence of global warming I've ever seen.
Having set the current world's "Ultima Thule" (www.I forgot but it is published and if I wanted to remember about it, I Would Publish The Link Here)(dot com)
I am quite serious. I've never been able to grasp the scale of that, or the other Needles. Is it like El Cap? Tilted back some? With plenty of cracks which are full of ice? Don't quite grasp metrics - what is the vertical height of the route? Of the approach? (I mean the part you have to walk)
I've read somewhere (where I guess I'm supposed to notice and read it) that this wall, one of its routes, has been climbed along an enchainment. El Cap's down to a few hours...I've yet to climb one pitch on it (nor, in view of certain well established facts of Life, at all likely to soon).
My tech repetoire has been strictly limited to The Valley; Meadows; Moab; some local stuff. Weird, since I routinely log (like most locals) 5,000 foot days - that's each way - either summer hiking, or skiing as late as August.
I can see summits like this one from my couch. Which, I suppose, is all the more reason to stay in shape for my couch. But these Sierra summits? I've regretted every effort, from walk ups, to solo tech nighttime downclimbs which then leave me about 4 miles from my car.
The idea of a hut system, with - comment vous dire? -que c'est ce telephriques je pense - I can dig. Hell, I even presented a student project along those lines to a dude named: Dick Leonard. We differed on that subject.
Seriously. The glacier below looks in pretty bad shape, compared to 20 year old photos.
One of your photos shows you clipping what looks like a line frozen into the face? Is that normal? (Frozen ropes on routes, I mean -I'd clip any via ferrata came my way too)
The grading of this thing read like a manuscript of the wall many of us cannot read. Look like: "spend a bivi or more enroute, and then probably on the wall - expect 5.10 rock climbing with similar dry tooling (which I've no intention of trying, with or w/o McClean's crampons) - but! - big rest ledges abound! At least at belay stances...
Weird science to me. If I had the means and could travel, say, 60 hours in any direction from my home to the base of a climb, how good would that climb have to be to justify it?
I guess I'm talking too loud.
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e9climbing.blogspot.com
Mountain climber
Political Alpinist with no Political affiliation.
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Author's Reply
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Dec 7, 2011 - 07:52pm PT
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@ KabalaArch
Will try and answer some of your questions that I understand, sorry if its not as fun and witty as yours.
Plenty of dirtbagging but it was better in the late 90th when the Britts stole food in the super market and the French had a cheep currency. But I guess in the 60is when Bonnington and Whillams went climbing between bar fights it was the real deal dirtbagging.
Ist cool to climb an Alp... Pretty much like climbing an Alaskan.... Ruth or Hunter might be similar but the Alps is easy to get to and no huge approaches.
The Face is dryer the lines are close, some times crossing each other. It the guide book, "Snow, ice and mixed" av Francois Damilano the North Face is described as follows:
"The biggest names in history of mountaineering have tested themselves against this massive wall, but many of their routes quickly fell into obscurity once the media spotlight had faded. In recent years, theses routes have regained a certain degree of popularity as a resurgence of interest and a new approach to climbing mixed ground have lead climbers to reevaluate what is climbable and at what time of year...
Some routes are very close together; others intertwine. At different times, climbers have either sought out to avoid ice, preferred rock or shied away from it, so two routes that appear to follow very similar lines may belong to completely different worlds. Many climbers whether making a first ascent or repeating a route, find it difficult to describe the exact line or draw it to a photograph... Grades are subjective and depends on the approach and the personality of the climber, which can lead to large discrepancies between routes."
The Vertical hight of the route is around 1100 meters or 3608 feet. The summit is about 4200 meters high or 13.779 feet.
The wall is steep. Mixed climbing some of it was A2 now free at M7/M8. The rock climbing on the wall with big boots, back pack and crampons is about 5.10c ish... Its ice in cracks but the route is some what lose and the Granite a bit flakey at times.... Makes for interesting climbing. Its not El Cap Vertical but its really steep and sustained. The hike in on the glacier from the train station at Montanvers is about 5 hours to the start of the climbing. And yes the glacier is quite broken up and tricky in the dark...
You are right on the speed climb. It was done on the Colton Mcintyre that is mainly an Ice route with a steep mixed finish was climbed by Ueli Steck in 2h 21 min. Not human if you ask me. This is a lin k with a video and som super nice photos of that event.
http://www.alpineexposures.com/pages/ueli-steck-smashes-the-grandes-jorasses-north-face-record
As for fixed gear on the rout there where not much and no rope frozen in to the wall as far as I could see, must be our stuff that was a bit iced up. We built all our belays or re enforced fixed stuff. No big ledges but good enough to sit on VS on the Bonatti its all going to be hanging bivys. Huts are open but you need to find them to stay in them...
Well I hope this answers some of your questions and comments.
On this link you have some details from Robert Jaspers first free ascent of the original route. 17 peggs was to be found route back then.
http://www.planetmountain.com/english/Ice/france/Siesta/index.html
About alpine grading its kind of stupid as one can only grade the route for what it is that day or during that weather window. But this is a break down of the system I use. It might be better to be less specific about the grade and just give an over all grade like VI ED3...
Romania Scale (VI) Overall difficulty grade runs from I to VII.
WI numerical Scale. This system measures the difficulty of routes on water ice. The WI scale currently spans grades from 1–7. There also exists a rating scale for Alpine Ice that has the same rating system as the "WI" system, but is instead denoted by "AI." The primary difference between the two is the density of the ice, Water Ice being much more dense.
M numeric Scale. This measures the difficulty of mixed climbs combining ice and rock. Mixed climbs have recently been climbed and graded as high as M12 (some claim M14). s
A0: A free climb with an occasional aid move that does not require specialized aid gear ("aiders" or "etriers"). Pulling on gear during a free ascent is often referred to as A0. French Numerical Scale.
The French numerical system 6b+. This rates the rock climb according to the overall technical difficulty and strenuousness of the route.
French adjectival alpine system. Evaluates the overall difficulty of a route, taking into consideration the length, difficulty, exposure and commitment-level of the route (i.e., how hard it may be to retreat). The overall grade combines altitude; length and difficulty of approach and descent; number of difficult pitches and how sustained they are; exposure; and quality of rock, snow and ice. ED1/2/3/4: extrêmement difficile (extremely difficult). Extremely hard, exceptional objective dangers, vertical ice and rock climbing up to VI to VIII, with possible aid pitches.
Protection Rating. R runout, where a fall would likely result in serious injury. R/X very runout, where a fall atthe wrong place will likely result in at least serious injury and possibly death
E Grade from the British trad climbing system. E1 to E12 I think.
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YvesD
Mountain climber
Paris (France)
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It is am amazing feat and it is a little unfortunate that this report does not attract more comments. I am not sure that people here (in the US) realize that there might be very few people all over the world to be able to climb this route on this particular wall and this after having almost succeeded on the Bonatti-Vaucher route.
Of course, it is not as "popular" and sexy as Yosemite ...
But , "chapeau bas" , both are routes of a lifetime for only some of the best world-class (amateur climbers: in the good sense) ... and it is even more impressive when it is coming from somebody not totally local ...
Again, you are the Man !
I wish you to pursue a long (and safe) career in mountain climbing ...
Y.
PS : after that, what else remains to be done ? (just kidding !)
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eagle
Trad climber
new paltz, ny
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i had a grand idea to climb this route back in the mid eighties but, when i got to the top of the tram and got a good look at the face....i asked myself what the hell was i thinking. we shot some photos and headed down and into the bar nash for multiple beers and food
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Good stuff, thanks. Always been fascinated by the great north faces of the Alps.
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e9climbing.blogspot.com
Mountain climber
Political Alpinist with no Political affiliation.
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Author's Reply
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Dec 9, 2011 - 11:23am PT
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@ YvesD
Thanks for the kind words. No Siesta has as far as I know not had an North American ascent yet, needless to say nor have Bonatti-Vaucher. The Bonatti route only has 5 or 6 ascents since it was opened in 1964. Its hard to get that route in good/safe conditions.
As far as I know No Siesta had 12 ascents including the FA in 1986 up until 2009. From 2009 to 2011 I don't know of any ascent. During October/November 2011 I think No Siesta or slight variations had 5 or 6 ascents. It might well have been climbed between 2009 and 2011 but not that many times.
//PARETE NORD, SPERONE CROZ, VIA NO SIESTA
Se la Serge Gousseault conta in tutto undici salite, un po' più a destra, sullo Sperone Croz, la “cugina” No siesta (1100 m, VI+, A1 e 90° o VI+, M8 e 90°) ne conta una in più. L'abbiamo scoperto nei giorni scorsi grazie ad Agustin Castiella: lettore spagnolo di Intotherocks ed esperto della parete nord delle Grandes Jorasses (e non solo). In altre parole: la salita degli sloveni Marko Lukić e Andrej Grmovšek, di cui abbiamo parlato nei giorni scorsi (www.intotherocks.splinder.com/post/21792137), è la dodicesima (e non l'undicesima) della grande via di Porvaznik e Glejdura. Ecco quindi, come per la Serge Gousseault, l'elenco completo (corretto e integrato) delle ascensioni di No siesta.
1ª. Jan Porvaznik e Stanislav Glejdura, 21-23 luglio 1986
2ª. François Marsigny e Olivier Larios, 26-28 settembre 1997 (con una breve variante)
3ª. Stéphane Benoîst e Yannick Graziani, 31 ottobre-2 novembre 1997
4ª. Alexander Ruchkin e Rinat Zaitov, 30 giugno-1° luglio 1998
5ª. Sergey Tarassov e Vladimir Starov, luglio 1998, in 2 giorni e mezzo (dopo aver ripetuto, in 3 giorni, la vicina Manitua di Slavko Svetičič)
6ª. Patrice Glairon-Rappaz, 27-30 giugno 2000 (prima solitaria, con 2 giorni di cattivo tempo)
7ª. Robert Jasper e Markus Stofer, 17-19 marzo 2003 (prima invernale e prima libera integrale)
8ª. Michel Dubois e Pascal Ducroz (con due varianti)
9ª. Patrick Pessi, Basile Ferran e Damien Tomasi, 7-9 settembre 2007 (con una variante)
10ª. Stéphane Benoîst e Sébastien Ratel, 22-24 settembre 2007 (seconda personale della via per Benoîst che, in questa occasione, ha mancato per poco la libera integrale)
11ª. Pierre Labbre e Romain Wagner, 11-14 ottobre 2007
12ª. Marko Lukić e Andrej Grmovšek, 17-19 marzo 2009 (seconda invernale e seconda libera integrale)
From: http://intotherocks.splinder.com/tag/alpi+occidentali//
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Zander
climber
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Thanks for the report.
It looks wild up there.
Zander
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KabalaArch
Trad climber
Starlite, California
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Dec 10, 2011 - 05:29pm PT
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e9spot,
Thank you for indulging my irreverence. A bad day at work, for me.
Your reply was as detailed as it was gracious. Further history and beta in Italian humbled me further.
Please try and remember contextural differences. While I've never climbed YDS VI, I've a few Grade V's to my credit, and one advantage to this is to feel Big Wall exposure without having to haul.
One Moab route which comes to mind...a mere 500 feet or so, C2 5.12 (for the leader, anyway)...each move and placement overhangs about 1/2 inch from the placement below. And, by the end of each pitch, you end up a good 30 feet out from the wall, as determined by the plumb line of the zip cord. Looks merely vertical from the road...but I swear it sure looked like I was overhanging above my jeep parked below from the summit. That time of year, I'm pretty sure I left all snow and ice back home in the Sierra.
While I hate reductionism into numbers, 3.400 feet helps me picture the scale - particularly because photos foreshorten both summit and base.
Thank you again for bringing me forward from my old and scratchy B&W '50s photos into contemporary times. This climb is so serious, it's really never ever been on my hit list.
According to the news, Euro missed last night's full lunar eclipse. But, from my window facing the crest of the Eastside crest, it was truly special - a copper penny, setting in the full eclipse behind the NW Ridge of Mt. Tom (13,700')...just as the sun began to rise at about 5:00 am.
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Erik
Trad climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 06:56pm PT
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The final "s" isn't pronounced, it just marks the plural. The "J" isn't the hard J sound in George, it's a soft j, I can't think of an English word that has it for the moment....
A crude transliteration might be "Lay grande Zhorass".
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:04pm PT
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I'd like to comnment on this TR but I can't form the words when my
jaw is so slackened. Extremely impressive, congratulations!
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Jon Griffith
Mountain climber
Chamonix
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Dec 11, 2011 - 10:03am PT
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No photos of the actual route?
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Rick A
climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Dec 11, 2011 - 10:49am PT
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Thanks for posting here. Looks incredibly hard and you climbed shockingly fast: one bivuoac, starting from Montenvers!
For those who haven't been there, the Jorasses is around 4,000 feet high and the face itself is many miles of glacier slogging from the train station at Montenvers. Total elevation gain from Montenvers is about 6000 feet. To do that, plus the complex descent to the hut in Italy, all in two days is nothing short of spectacular.
Formidable!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
The Ocean
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Dec 11, 2011 - 10:59am PT
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Awesome to get a real ALPINE TR here on ST. Thanks! Would love to see more stuff from Europe!
Looks like a solid route by todays standards. Beyond impressive that these things were first done decades ago.
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Korra
Mountain climber
Chx
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Dec 11, 2011 - 11:30am PT
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Wow what for an article but, too bad for your partner to open a new route on jorasses, without even giving a quick look (cannot see no siesta from montenvers)and not even being mentioned.
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pc
climber
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Dec 11, 2011 - 11:51am PT
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Excellent! Thanks for letting us tag along.
Cheers,
pc
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e9climbing.blogspot.com
Mountain climber
Political Alpinist with no Political affiliation.
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Author's Reply
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Dec 11, 2011 - 01:15pm PT
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@ John we are trying to have the SD card restored. Some pics that was stored directly on the cameras internal memory from the route will be published in print first as per agreement with the publisher.
@ Korra. Not a new route at all! Just a combination of what might be the original start of the Croz on to Bonatti and out on No Siesta. I have no idea of what the exact route we did was.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Dec 12, 2011 - 01:09pm PT
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Super Awesomeness is here!!!
Well done!
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BMcC
Trad climber
Livermore
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Dec 12, 2011 - 03:14pm PT
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Formidable!
Thanks for posting your TR, pics, and wealth of info and links.
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