looks easy from here
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Santa Cruzish
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Climbed Venusian on the 9th with my cousin. Weather was sunny and gorgeous, if a bit windy, mosquitoes were minimal where we camped (top of the morain over Second Lake) and nonexistent on the approach hike, and no crampons needed for the snow field (though ice axe was a comfort) and the ledges at the foot of the climb were clear enough of snow to pass. There was some snow coming down from Contact Pass that obscured the trail. Hike from the trailhead to the outflow of Second Lake took us 3 hours with 60 lb packs. The cabin is basically halfway, so that will give you a sense of pace.
Trip report here.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Last year we brought 1 pair of strap on crampons and were glad to have them (one person goes up than throws the crampons to the other, or lowers them on a loop of rope). Used a rock instead of an axe. Climbing on route itself is chossy and not great. Heard Moon Goddess is better at similar grade.
If you are able to do Sun Ribbon or Dark Star go for those instead. They are much cleaner.
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alina
Trad climber
CA
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I second that question. Crampons needed as of early June?
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Does anyone know if you need crampons for approaching it in the morning at the moment?
Thanks
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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DR wrote,
Unfortunately, the alternative is to stray right, onto or -- worse -- under, the face of a rock glacier that is one of the loosest spots in the entire Sierra. Sometimes it sloughs major tonnage daily.
Now how would you know that, DR? Not by looking cross-eyed at it, I'm sure. ;)
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PellucidWombat
Mountain climber
Draperderr, by Bangerter, Utah
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Trip report that also includes Moon Goddess Arete.
Temple Crag Two'fer & the Labor Day Partay - MGA + VBA & friends on MGA & SRA
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Doug Robinson
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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About the descent beta:
After rapping into Contact Pass, the first long snowfield is obvious, even fun (unless frozen, dark, and all you have for self-arrest is a sharp rock. All too often the case...)
Then cross a flattish snowfield.
The next part is CRUCIAL: Take the steep snow gully left, directly under Temple Crag. A bit daunting for steepness, and likely frozen as it goes into the shade early. JUST DO IT. Unfortunately, the alternative is to stray right, onto or -- worse -- under, the face of a rock glacier that is one of the loosest spots in the entire Sierra. Sometimes it sloughs major tonnage daily. Looking cross-eyed can send down rocks. It's worth your life to stay off it and out from under it.
Soon enough you can cruise out away from the Crag onto much flatter and easier terrain, where your only enemy is the grinding exhaustion of a big day on a noble peak.
EDIT: Oh yeah, about the climbing beta. Long alpine ridges don't lend themselves very well to classic topo representations. Too much horizontal terrain, for one thing.
Get the approach right. But then that's pretty easy. The snowfield and exit onto big leftward ledge are quite obvious. When you come around the corner into view, you'll know VB is the ridge on the left. Once you get on it, my favorite alpine beta applies: It's a ridge, stupid. Just follow your nose. You'll find it.
Beyond that, it's useless to argue about whether there are rap anchors at the end of "Pitch 10." Who the h*ll knows if your pitches are like my pitches? Ledges and anchors are everywhere, and rope drag will stop you long before the "correct" belay, anyway.
Have fun. Follow your nose. It's all there.
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Gabe
climber
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Loose and fun! Look-out for life loss, It's easy to find if'n yer not take'n care '
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SantaCruzRon
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Saturday, July 24, 2010.
Disneyland attendees = 45,000+
Venusian Blind attendees = 2
Best grade IV 5.7 I've done.
Descent beta:
After rapping off and descending the first gully from Contact Pass, stay high and pass the boulder field on your left before dropping down left. Stay out in the middle of the valley, well away from the cliff face for easy ground and swift return to lakes.
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okie
Trad climber
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Went up there several years back. Had that marvelous Croft book along. The book made no sense whatsoever. We forged ahead, impressed with this Croft character's obvious committment to keeping the spirit of adventure high with brevity of textual detail...
Back at Third Lake where we could see the whole line again we realized we had been on the wrong arete the entire day! Ha Ha! Moon Goddess is a little looser than I like but a good route nonetheless.
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SantaCruzRon
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Climbed route on July 8, 2010. Some clouds but no thunder. The snow field approach was steep and icy enough that all but the most confident will need cramp-ons. We only had one pair so I trailed a rope and put the cramp-ons back into their bag, clipped the bag to the rope and shook it like hell. My partner 200' below was easily able to retrieve the cramp-ons and come up on belay as well. Saved money and weight!
Expect to rap TWICE. The first rap is short to an obvious ledge, and the second is a full 100' to the ground. There is a very tattered white rope hanging from the second anchor but no one should consider using it as the mantel is completely gone in one section. I thought the rap anchors looked shabby--crispy webbing, tiny crappy rap rings, no bolts, geez. I donated lockers, 'biners and new slings. I wonder how long the booty will last!
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Les
Trad climber
Bahston
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Okay, the Supertopo route tope is generally very good. HOWEVER, there are a few glaring errors in the narrative description and on the topo. First off, the book says:
"The routefinding difficulties come on Pitch 5. Move left across a small gully onto the right side of an emerging sharp arete. Here there are two options . . . . While both ways are slightly runout, the left option has better climbing and more solid rock."
Okay, number one, this describes Pitch 7, NOT Pitch 5 - compare the description to the actual topo. Second, the left variation is not runout - there is plenty of gear (perhaps this was written before the advent of small cams?). And I wouldn't really call it "bold" as the topo does, because it's not runout, but it is very exposed and thrilling.
Second, and most importantly, the book says:
"The last four pitches are challenging to protect, especially from the second's perspective so if you're with someone less experienced you should opt for the rappel below Pitch 10."
THERE IS NO RAPPEL BELOW PITCH 10. Let me say it again - there is no rappel below Pitch 10. If you rappel into the void from below Pitch 10, you're in for a world of hurt. The gully does not begin until PITCH 12 - the topo is labelled wrong. Above the "side view," the topo shows a SECOND Pitch 10, and a second Pitch 11. This is wrong - these are not alternate views of the prior pitches 10 & 11 -- they should be labelled Pitches 12 & 13 (and thus the last pitches should be 14 & 15). That's right, you MUST drag your inexperienced second across the "no pro on traverse" Pitch 11 depicted on the topo. However, it's not true that there's no pro. If you climb down onto the right side and traverse low, you will find pro, but it's still very sketchy and VERY exposed. But it must be done if you intend to get to the rappel.
Once across the traverse, the "5.6 friction" and "crack on slab" pitch, mis-labbeled as a second Pitch 10 on the topo - it's actually Pitch 12 - lies before you. You can see the pin identified in the topo just ahead of you. Head left once past the pin and onto the "crack on slab", and around the corner. There you will see the rap tat ahead of and above you, and the 60-foot rap into the gully below you. The gully begins at this very spot - and raps off the route to the LEFT. Rap any lower on the route, and you're in the void.
That's about it. The only other things I would add is that, when finding the first pitch after the 3rd class, belay about 20 feet right of those right-facing corners. There's a good crack for an anchor just to the right of a large flat block leaning on a dirty, narrow ledge, with a pointed, triangular rock just to the right of it. Above the pointed rock is a good crack. Belaying here keeps you out of the line of fire of the "loose" crossover section in the right-facing corners (it's not that loose, really). Finally, the pitch above has significant loose blocks on the first 100 feet. Take care not to knock any on your partner. And, most importantly, the "right crack" that you're looking for is actually AROUND TO THE RIGHT, on the arete face. It's very good and on solid rock. Do NOT head straight up into the off-width looking, blocky crack - it's very loose and terrifying, according to another party who went that way. Make sure to head right, around the corner, to the good crack.
Overall, very nice route. Get an EARLY start though, because it's long, and you don't want to have to try to locate the Contact Pass rappel in the dark, trust me.
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caughtinside
Social climber
Oakland, CA
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Did this 2.5 weeks ago. No ice axe needed. Snowfield very soft at 8am when we got to it. Did it in tennis shoes no problem, didn't need to kick steps the day before.
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Peakdancer
Trad climber
California
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Just about to head into Temple Crag. Does anyone know what the approach conditions are like? Ice axe needed?
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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I've its neighbor, the Moon Goddess in a day from the road, and my suggestion is that if this is your first route of this length that you find something more straightforward, with fewer route finding issues and clearer options for retreat. I admire your spirit of adventure, but the aretes can be wild and woolly.
LOTS of other good stuff to do with fewer question marks attached.
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harpo
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe
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Craig wrote: "The topo for Venusian Blind seems a bit off. The pitch listing on p.76, indicates there are 12 pitches. The last pitch on the topo on p.77 is 13; AND if you count out the pitch sequence from pitch 10 (on p.77) the count sequence is 10, 11, 10, 11, 12, 13. "
I am confused as the same thing as Craig. I assume the second 10, 11 sequence is a different viewpoint than the first 10, 11 sequence, but could someone explain to me where the first sequence ends and the second begins?
Also, Supertopo shows an escape rap just below the pitch 10 belay, but it isn't obvious to me into which gully the rap goes: the one between the Venusian Blind Arete and the Moon Godess Arete on climbers right, or between the Venusian and the Eclipsed Arete on climber's left. I assume it is the former as Secor in Peaks and Passes mentions an escape route in that direction.
Thanks for your help; sorry if I am a lousy topo reader. This the first route of this length for me.
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OhYeah!!!
Trad climber
Sacramento, CA
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I just got back from Temple Crag and none of the approaches needed ice travel. I even did the Palisades Traverse in tennis shoes without an ice tool. I just walked up the glacier and hopped across the schrund.
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Lars Ensign
Trad climber
Zephyr Cove, NV
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Did the steep snow approach to the base of Sun Ribbon in July using a Trango Shark nut tool (the one with the fold-out knife blade) as an ice dagger and a pair of Katoola crampons (the red ones with the tiny stubby teeth - very small and light). That system worked really well without being too cumbersome on the rest of the route.
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Jonathan Willy
climber
Bishop, CA
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Has anybody been to temple or walked by it recently within the last couple of weeks and know the snow condition at the base of the route?
Thanks,
Jonathan
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Craig Knoche
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes
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The topo for Venusian Blind seems a bit off. The pitch listing on p.76, indicates there are 12 pitches. The last pitch on the topo on p.77 is 13; AND if you count out the pitch sequence from pitch 10 (on p.77) the count sequence is 10, 11, 10, 11, 12, 13.
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Tuca
Trad climber
Ventura, CA
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Climbed route 9/26/04. Sole climbing party in Temple Crag.
Bypass snow approach via short, 40 ft, 5.5 section with Memorial at the base. Fun climb with an alpine feel to it. Bring a fleece as the route goes in/out of the sun.
Don't skimp on the summit visit and signing the register. Great views!
Ivan
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clustiere
Big Wall climber
Ventura, CA
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Ice axe avoidable.
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bobh
climber
Bishop, California
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It will depend on the size and condition of the snowfield, but typically in July/Aug, one axe should be enough for both of you, as the second can have a top-rope from rock anchors. Crossing the snow is more of an issue on Sun Ribbon, because the snowfield is bigger and steeper.
If you're looking for some snow and ice experience, it's not a bad place to practice with crampons low-angle snow.
I did the Venusian approach last Oct, and it was very firm. Managed it without crampons, but had to cut a few steps.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Do you need one ice ax or two. Could the leader get up high enough to set up a rock anchor and belay the second up (without ax) or do both need them. If I took up double ropes, would that be long enough?
For somebody with minimal ice experience, is an ax enough?
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bobh
climber
Bishop, California
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If you are camping at Third Lake the night before the climb, a good idea is to kick steps up the snow the the afternoon before your climb when the snow is soft. Then, you probably won't even need an axe the next morning despite brick-hard snow.
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Thom
Trad climber
South Orange County, CA
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Ricardo,
Been up there several times over long 4th of July weekends. For reasons I haven't quite figured out, I always end up on Dark Star. Anyway, everytime I've been there the approach (to Sun Ribbon, Moon Goddess, Venusian Blind) has been over seriously hard-packed snow/ice. We wanted to check out Sun Ribbon once and (without axes) chose not to risk sliding back down into the talus. Alpine starts mean cold, hard snow/ice; everyone I know recommends bringing an axe for the approach and hurling it back down as suggested by Bob.
Have fun, the climbing is great that time of year.
TW
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bobh
climber
Bishop, California
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Bring an ice axe for the snow below the route. When you get to the rock, chuck the axe back down the snowfield as far as you can, and pick it up later on the descent from Contact Pass.
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ricardo
Gym climber
San Francisco, CA
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can anyone give me some beta on the approach in july .. i'm putting together my first back-country climb, and i'm wondering what its like to approach the base of the climb.. all the photos i've seen have a snow field right at the escarpment .. do you need any special equipment to make it to the base?
 ricardo
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clustiere
Big Wall climber
San Francisco, CA
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The bad anchors are to skiiers left (old pins) and the good anchors are to skiiers right blocks and now a long cord going up slope (making them obvious). YOu wont have trouble finding them in the light. At night could be a very different story.
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clustiere
Big Wall climber
San Francisco, CA
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The bad anchors are to skiiers left (old pins) and the good anchors are to skiiers right blocks and now a long cord going up slope (making them obvious). YOu wont have trouble finding them in the light. At night could be a very different story.
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clustiere
Big Wall climber
San Francisco, CA
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The bad anchors are to skiiers left (old pins) and the good anchors are to skiiers right blocks and now a long cord going up slope (making them obvious). YOu wont have trouble finding them in the light. At night could be a very different story.
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johnkitt
Trad climber
San Diego, Ca
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All,
I didn't see the long cord that Del mentioned, so perhaps someone left it there after I was on the rock.
I assume that we're all talking about the same rappel station(s). I didn't see any others, but then again, there could have been something we missed.
Anyways, when we got to it, the second station consisted of a piton about some webbing slung into a chockstone. However, the anchor was pretty poorly equalised, so anyone using it at that time would have essentially been rapping off of the piton, which makes me a little nervous. We re-equalized the anchor and added a rappel ring to the this anchor.
Hopefully that clarifies my earlier comments. If you have any other questions, you can reach me at johnkitt@hotmail.com
-john kitt.
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Ray
climber
Templeton, CA
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Dara,
When we were up there in Aug of last year, the 'hidden' rap was a mass of slings around a chockstone. There were probably 10 slings or pieces of cordalette, and I felt perfectly comfortable rapping off of them. The rap off of the rusty old pins looked sketchy.
Have fun,
Ray
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Dara
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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John,
I'm just wondering if you saw all the anchors. I hope to do this route next year and your comments make me nervous. Did you see http://www.sierramountaincenter.com/pages/individualtripspages/summertrips/templecragclassics.php which says:
"There are two rap anchors: the poor one, off pins, and the hidden, better one, skier’s right from the other one and hidden below a boulder."
You mention both, so perhaps you were looking at the hidden one. What does it look like exactly? Bolt, pin, slung, rings, webbing, ... those kind of details.
Thanks, Dara
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BEN York
Mountain climber
Arcata CA
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Rappel anchors were fine in August.
climbing was cool summit was cool. had fun. swam in lakes. hiked to the car after climbing and drove to the hotsprings. got there at midnight. it was fun.
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johnkitt
Trad climber
San Diego, Ca
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Did this climb 8/30/03.
The route information found in the SuperTopo guide was pretty accurate. It's a long climb, so you'd better be prepared to solo or simul climb parts to make it back to camp at a reasonable time, especially if you go all the way to the top of the mountain.
The glacier levels have retreated quite a bit - no need for crampons for the approach.
Another thing I would add is that there are actually two rappel anchors on the descent leading into Contact Pass. I will warn you that both anchors are in pretty bad shape. My partner and I tried to pretty up the second one by re-adjusting some of the runners and leaving a rappel ring, but it's still pretty bad. Had I known, I would have brought some pitons to really fix things up...
-john kitt.
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The route as seen from Second Lake.Photo: SP Parker
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