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crøtch
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Jul 11, 2013 - 03:22am PT
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- yet there's Drake, apparently not even charged with anything for doing it.
He was charged with 10 felony counts. Did you even hear what he had to say? It took 5 years to clear his name and get the charges dropped. Turns out he didn't release any classified information, it was all already part of the public record.
What's your take on his message, jhedge? Drake is articulate and has a thesis. Do you care to address the substance of his talk?
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Marlow
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OSLO
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Jul 11, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
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In the American newspaper world of spinning everything can serve as truth
"The extraordinary claim that China had drained the contents of Snowden's laptops first appeared in the New York Times in a June 24 article. The paper published the claim with no evidence and without any attribution to any identified sources.
In lieu of any evidence, the NYT circulated this obviously significant assertion by quoting what it called "two Western intelligence experts" who "worked for major government spy agencies". Those "experts" were not identified. The article then stated that these experts "said they believed that the Chinese government had managed to drain the contents of the four laptops that Mr. Snowden said he brought to Hong Kong" (emphasis added).
So that's how this "China-drained-his-laptops" claim was created: by the New York Times citing two anonymous sources saying they "believed" this happened. From there, it predictably spread everywhere as truth."
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WBraun
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Jul 11, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
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From there, it predictably spread everywhere as truth.
Which Hedge regurgitates here ad nauseam believing its all real since he really knows nothing.
Hedge loves "anonymous sources" too.
As dumb as a Republican he so always calls.
Stupid ......
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jul 11, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
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The pattern (repeated):
"In the immediate aftermath of the atomic bomb, the allied occupation authorities banned all mention of radiation poisoning and insisted that people had been killed or injured only by the bomb's blast. It was the first big lie. "No radioactivity in Hiroshima ruin" said the front page of the New York Times, a classic of disinformation and journalistic abdication, which the Australian reporter Wilfred Burchett put right with his scoop of the century. "I write this as a warning to the world," reported Burchett in the Daily Express, having reached Hiroshima after a perilous journey, the first correspondent to dare. He described hospital wards filled with people with no visible injuries but who were dying from what he called "an atomic plague". For telling this truth, his press accreditation was withdrawn, he was pilloried and smeared - and vindicated."
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Marlow
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OSLO
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Jul 11, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
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Jghedge did one more dishonest thing. He went from a single poster's words to the generalisation "you people". He's clearly a tool and seems to be a compulsive verbal manipulator... American Democrats do not need enemies if they have got friends like Jghedge...
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Jul 11, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
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Guys...cmon. I know you're emotionally invested in this up to your eyeballs, but a little less drama
this coming from teh guy who has posted 24/7 on this thread and kept it going (where is obvious)...really?
and you insinuate others are emotionally invovled in this?
lmao.
you must have blown a fuse there joe.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jul 11, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
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They found Snowden in Siberia.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jul 11, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
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The Cooperation between Microsoft and the NSA revealed
"Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the National Security Agency to circumvent the company's own encryption, according to top-secret documents obtained by the Guardian.
The files provided by Edward Snowden illustrate the scale of co-operation between Silicon Valley and the intelligence agencies over the last three years. They also shed new light on the workings of the top-secret Prism program, which was disclosed by the Guardian and the Washington Post last month.
The documents show that:
• Microsoft helped the NSA to circumvent its encryption to address concerns that the agency would be unable to intercept web chats on the new Outlook.com portal;
• The agency already had pre-encryption stage access to email on Outlook.com, including Hotmail;
• The company worked with the FBI this year to allow the NSA easier access via Prism to its cloud storage service SkyDrive, which now has more than 250 million users worldwide;
• Microsoft also worked with the FBI's Data Intercept Unit to "understand" potential issues with a feature in Outlook.com that allows users to create email aliases;
• Skype, which was bought by Microsoft in October 2011, worked with intelligence agencies last year to allow Prism to collect video of conversations as well as audio;
• Material collected through Prism is routinely shared with the FBI and CIA, with one NSA document describing the program as a "team sport".
The latest NSA revelations further expose the tensions between Silicon Valley and the Obama administration. All the major tech firms are lobbying the government to allow them to disclose more fully the extent and nature of their co-operation with the NSA to meet their customers' privacy concerns. Privately, tech executives are at pains to distance themselves from claims of collaboration and teamwork given by the NSA documents, and insist the process is driven by legal compulsion."
The whole article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Jul 11, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
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Would you like this guy at some time to be your Sec. of Defense, the one that wrote Rex 84 [Readiness Exercise 1984] Murders too many to count but will kill you as will Erik Prince R2 with their gang of mercs.
Garden Plot is the newest one? well just updated been around as well.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jul 12, 2013 - 04:46am PT
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This morning there was a guy trying to get through my door. 40-50 years of age, a little bit overweight, looked well washed, but sweaty, short dark hair, thick black spectacles, white striped shirt, a brown leather bag in his left hand. You know, we never see this kind of guys in the eastern part of the city. When they're here, they're errand boys sent from a stranger part of the world...
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jul 12, 2013 - 10:24am PT
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Those damn terrorists, they are everywhere.
link: In 'Chilling' Ruling, Chevron Granted Access to Activists' Private Internet Data
"Sweeping" subpoena violates rights of those who spoke out against oil giant's devastating actions in Ecuador
A federal judge has ruled to allow Chevron, through a subpoena to Microsoft, to collect the IP usage records and identity information for email accounts owned by over 100 environmental activists, journalists and attorneys.
This is the real goal of the mass surveillance system, to crush the rise of the people against the global corporate overlords, not to thwart some imaginary brown-skinned bomber with a nuke.
Not to worry though, another black flag op will convince us it's for our own good.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 12, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
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You need to look into the Chevron case to see what its about. A multi billion dollar judgement in Ecuador with pretty solid proof of bribing the judge. I'm a human rights lawyer and there is no higher calling in my opinion, but bribing a judge, and writing his opinion is not allowed. Chevron already proved that the judge's order is word for word the same as a legal memo written by the plaintiffs counsel beforehand. I know several of the lawyers involved personally and they are pretty dirty, one of them recently sanction $50 k by the court for an environmental case, the people supposedly got cancer but then it turned out they never saw a doctor and only thought they had cancer. This is not big brother surveillance, it's a legitimate subpeona imo.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jul 12, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
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Don, the use of NSA data by a cooperation is NOT within the charter of the program. Unless, of course, you consider multinational corporations to be an arm of the government.
Dirty pool or not, giving NSA data to corporations is illegal, pure and simple.
Now, if the tables were turned, and We The People were able to subpena records on the corporations whom we believe to be breaking the law, perhaps we'd be better off. But I doubt it, even with hard evidence, our gov't refuses to go after the big fish who rake billion$ from We The People.
And yes, I can name cases to uphold this last accusation.
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WBraun
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Jul 12, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
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Where the fuk is Hedge today.
We're going to flush him down the toilet today for his bullsh!t.
:-)
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 12, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
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k-man, its not a subpeona for nsa data, its a subpeona to a google for a customer's emails, happens all the time. I can issue subpeonas like this myself, although I've never had occasion to do so for a third party. My provider only keeps my emails for a couple of years, and I have no obligation to keep them, so if my emails are ever subpeonaed, there are only 2 years worth. If google's emails go back 9 years, they probably consider it to be a service to their customers to keep them that long.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Jul 12, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
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Where the fuk is Hedge today.
We're going to flush him down the toilet today for his bullsh!t.
he is spinning in the drain, along with a turd.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Jul 12, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
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Snowden seems to be able to attract attractive women, first the ballerina and now leaker and human rights types:
Not supermodels but pretty cute for press conferences in a Russian airport.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jul 12, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
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Don, you're right (of course). The Chevron inquiry had nothing to do with the NSA--they subpoenaed the records from MSFT. No FICA court involvement...
My bad. It just came up at a time when the NSA is in the papers for subpoenaing MSFT for such records, and my numb brain made the incorrect connection.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 12, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
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Hey no problem k-man, you just happened to mention a lawyer scandal I'm interested in. Here's a more detailed description of the Chevron case.
As I said human rights law is my passion and my case against Chiquita is similar in some ways ... but no fraud involved and no bribery paid. The fact that news reporters are relating this to the Snowden case kind of pisses me off.
http://www.americanlawyer.com/digestTAL.jsp?id=1202599826041
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