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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 24, 2010 - 04:19pm PT
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healyje, if somebody said that UFOs use transporter-type technologies to travel, I missed it. But, if the crafts that hundreds of people have witnessed are not military crafts, then they got here by a means unknown to us.
And, after talking with folks who have witnessed events, I'm pretty certain the things they saw did not originate from any state nations we know.
But, because you're in the computer biz, you must have some idea what the sphere's are that are documented in the Mexican Air Force footage. I'd be interested to hear your take on them.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 24, 2010 - 04:32pm PT
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I'm now in computers, but I was a naval aerial photographer in Vietnam with just enough recon and photogrammetry training to know what I was doing when shooting or when looking at U2 or satellite rolls.
I posted up-thread what those balls were and a link to another person's analysis of them. The reflected highlights underneath the two balls in the second photo, in combination with their angle below the horizon, are the first glaring clues as to what they are. Go back up to that post and link.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Sep 24, 2010 - 04:33pm PT
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from goatboy's link, it was too good to pass up!
[quote]Delusions are irrational beliefs, held with a high level of conviction, that are highly resistant to change even when the delusional person is exposed to forms of proof that contradict the belief. Non-bizarre delusions are considered to be plausible; that is, there is a possibility that what the person believes to be true could actually occur a small proportion of the time. Conversely, bizarre delusions focus on matters that would be impossible in reality. For example, a non-bizarre delusion might be the belief that one's activities are constantly under observation by federal law enforcement or intelligence agencies, which actually does occur for a small number of people. By contrast, a man who believes he is pregnant with German Shepherd puppies holds a belief that could never come to pass in reality. Also, for beliefs to be considered delusional, the content or themes of the beliefs must be uncommon in the person's culture or religion. Generally, in delusional disorder, these mistaken beliefs are organized into a consistent world-view that is logical other than being based on an improbable foundation.
Read more: Delusional disorder - define, causes, DSM, functioning, effects, therapy, paranoia, adults, withdrawal, drug, examples, person, people, used, brain, personality, effect, women http://www.minddisorders.com/Br-Del/Delusional-disorder.html#ixzz10TqUFRbX[/quote]
look on the bright side, al least there isnt a litter on the way!
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BCD
Mountain climber
Bishop, CA
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Sep 24, 2010 - 04:55pm PT
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Here's the part that confuses me:
Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that
their ships were far superior to ours both in
size and technology - Boy, were they
big!...and menacing!
….........
Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to
go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind
the cover-up.
Why does he refuse to go into details? The cat's out of the bag already! He revealed that there was a cover-up, and he revealed the agency behind the cover-up. If he was sworn to secrecy and afraid of the CIA, then he's already in pretty big trouble. Relaying the details isn't going to get him in any more trouble.
Is it because he doesn't have any details? Or maybe it's because he never spoke those words and I'm just getting trolled?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 24, 2010 - 05:07pm PT
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healyje, thanks for pointing out your link again. I had thought that you had looked at just the picture (not the video) and that your link was to an article that described forensic photogrammetry, not a link that recreated the Mexican video. There's a lot of info on that link, and their explanation certainly seems plausible.
del cross, I don't believe I've stated that E <> MC^2. And I know squat about angles and ghosts--although my old GF did have quite an experience with a "ghost" of sorts.
Certainly, there are phenomena that cannot be explained. When one person sees or physically feels something, we can question what they experienced and rationalize what they observed. But, when hundreds of people see an object (or objects) that defy what we hold as being true, then it raises more serious questions.
Personally, I have talked to people who have witnessed things they cannot explain. And now the UK and the US are declassifying many UFO reports that raise the question "What the heck is that?"
Sure, we can say with 99% certainty that things cannot space travel. But then, here are these things. So, what are they?? At some point, you have to say "we cannot explain what these things are with our current scope of understanding."
I like to watch the news about these things, simply my curiosity is piqued.
As for a Moon-based alien station, I'm not getting my panties in a wad about that yet ... (How can anybody claim that, when we never landed on the Moon in the first place, is beyond me! ;-)
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2010 - 05:13pm PT
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If indeed this conversation took place it was a private conversation and off the record with another PhD.
Listen carefully to the famous and historical public speech that Neil Armstrong gave at the White House where he talked about "removing truth's protective layers." That speech is loaded with deep (read between the lines) meaning. Since when and why does truth need to be protected? And why do we have to remove the layers protecting it? What are they hiding?
Link to speech:
Apollo 11 25th Anniversary -- the Neil Armstrong Speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeQriZqkKIk
Maybe we should list again the Chronological order of public statments where NASA astronauts and some of the "Moonwalkers" do and have indeed publically admitted that UFOs are a real phenomenon and that ET is here, and we have been monitored nearly all the time we have gone to space.
"The Watchers" are indeed watching us. They always have. Read "The Good Book" to know why.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2010 - 05:35pm PT
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Hawkeye,
I'm not ever going to apologize for my Christian faith. I don't expect you to understand that.
I suppose you can put all faiths and those who have faith in the "delusional" looney-bin, (if you want too), but that is your prejudice, and your problem, and your short-coming, not mine.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 24, 2010 - 05:52pm PT
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del, I don't have any explanation for any of this stuff, other than to say that we cannot explain some of this stuff with our current knowledge of the physical universe.
Also, while nobody has yet claimed that the theory or relativity has been debunked, I have read articles that current experiments in quantum mechanics show that on certain levels, the ToR does not operate as expected.
Like has been pointed out, my mind is "tiny" when it comes to this stuff. But when a particle moves through space, instantaneously disappearing in one spot and reappearing in another in the same instant, from what I understand, that is something traveling faster than the speed of light. Also, from what I understand, the simple movement of an electron from one orbital to the next perplexes our physical "laws" in that we don't really know how that happens.
I'm sure some folks can show where I'm wrong on this stuff, but it would not surprise me if the "laws" of physics behave differently on different planes. FWIW, I'm reading a book called The Holographic Universe, and the author claims some pretty out-there stuff, apparently based on real-life experiments.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 24, 2010 - 07:16pm PT
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del cross, thanks for the info. I admit, I'm walking on thin ice with my knowledge of QM and how it relates to Einstein's theories. To really understand this stuff as a layman, it's not easy (or precise).
I've read just the first few chapters in "The Holographic Universe." I must say, it got away from me pretty fast and I lost some interest (the concept that nothing material exists until we focus our perception on it is a wild thing to imagine!). But, I might look up the book you mention, sounds interesting.
That aside, "cover ups" of the existence of UFOs will always be a slippery slope, unless a reputable government comes forth with some real evidence (which would be a pretty crazy day, IMHO). Still, I watch reports with interest, and when "clear-headed" people claim they witnessed an unexplainable sky event, it adds one more point of reference. So, I must admit that the debunking of the Free Mexican Airforce vids somewhat of a disappointment--I still await the day that a government produces reliable evidence of something unexplainable.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 24, 2010 - 08:42pm PT
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 25, 2010 - 08:15am PT
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TGT,
Jesus never gave up. If he did we wouldn't have salvation.
Wanting to know the truth is somehow foolish? Geee, why learn anything? Why question anything? Perhaps we should all just live in our closets and turn off the lights. Why bother living at all?
No, I think I'll keep seeking the truth.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 25, 2010 - 09:00am PT
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What I love most about this thread is klimmer's lack of understanding what his point is.
What he fails to understand is that he is telling the world not to ever trust Government. He says over and over they lie.
While I would agree with this sentiment I highly doubt he would agree with why I say this.
Klimmer,
Do you vote for more Government or less? Did you support the current administration who, as you say, is lying to all of us?
Do you not realize how much of a hypocrite you look like?
I laugh every time I see him bump his own thread.
Funny as hell!!!
Skip
This has got to be the most insane post by Skip.
The point of this thread is indeed very clear. To know the truth of UFO/ET presence. Is it happening or not? Do governments cover-up?
I think the overwhelming evidence says "Yes" and "Yes" to both questions.
"What he fails to understand is that he is telling the world not to ever trust Government. He says over and over they lie."
Hardly. Be critical yes, and ask questions. Hold them to account. Descent is patriotic. Make them do their elected jobs for the good of the people. Don't lie. Don't start illegal and unnecessary wars. Don't torture. The list could go on and on.
Instead of trillions for War, why not spend it on a new CCC program and put people to work? Or continue to push man into Space? Go back to the Moon. Go to Mars. Go to the Asteroid belt for resources. NASA publicly states, "It has been estimated that the mineral wealth resident in the belt of asteroids between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter would be equivalent to about 100 billion dollars for every person on Earth today."
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/?why_asteroids
Wow, we could mine NEOs and get resources at the same time. Go after the ones projected to slam into Earth one day in our future and remove them for resources. Kill 2 birds with one stone as they say. Also consider, we don't have to go far, since some NEOs go right by us between the Earth and the Moon.
Do you think our energy needs using only clean renewable energy resources and needs for resources are solvable? I think they are. And right now. We have the technology to do it. Let's do it!
There are good reasons to have good government. It can do good things. Yes, some of what the Obama administration is doing is good, and I support that. However, I do not like the continuation of the illegal practices and the continued shredding of our Constitution and Bill of Rights set-up by the Bush Admin. Why are these loss of liberties continuing? Our Constitution and Bill of Rights should be abided by. There are good people in government who are doing their jobs and serving the people and our nation. And I thank them.
Then there are those who are not. Yes, there are very secret dark areas of our government (black ops) for whatever wrong reason do perpetually exist from admin to admin with no oversight and spend enormous amounts of money. There is a list of top secret security clearance levels where the President is only mid-level and he can not even get into all the other levels above him. There are deep hidden areas within our government that are completely off the books. It is on a "Need to Know basis." That should never be. Announcing on 9-10-2001, losing 2.3 trillion dollars and waving your hand and shrugging it off with a "oh well" attitude is wrong. This cancer in our government needs to be removed.
Watch this film:
Michael Schratt -- Beyond Blue
http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/michael_schratt/michael_schratt.html
This technology should be released to the World for the good of the people and our clean renewable energy needs rather than secretly hoarded away for dark corrupt purposes.
Hope I provided some more laughs for you (he, he, he). Sarcasm.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 25, 2010 - 10:16am PT
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Great interview with Leslie Kean by PhD Michio Kaku. Really good.
Michio Kaku interviews Leslie Kean about UFOs on his radio program, Science Fantastic, September 11, 2010
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIv696A815o&feature=player_embedded#!
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMaQg9CMJns&feature=related
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAn-BPXeZeA&feature=related
http://ufosontherecord.com/category/blog/page/2/
Very interesting starting at the part 1: 5:30 min. mark . . . only speculating, and his hypothesis, and assuming they are here he says . . .
"Maybe they are already here ... maybe these flying saucers are probes sent out from the Mother probe sitting on our Moon."
Hey, that sounds like . . .
wait for it . . .
wait for it . . .
The Ark or Mothership on the backside of our Moon! (lol)
Science Fantastic:
http://mkaku.org/
I really like PhD Kaku's attitiude about all of this. No matter the phenomenon, he seems to be willing to look into it and get into the possible physics. He is skeptical as we all should be, but he doesn't fall into ad hominem attacks. He is curious, thinks about the possibilites, and the physics possibly involved, and respectful of his audience. Great attitude and wonderful way to be. I like him. He is in so many science videos that my students see. Always a go to kind of scientist and PhD for education videos. Awesome.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2010 - 01:37am PT
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Here we go.
Prove me wrong.
These are the money shots.
The last stereogram is the best!
That massive anomaly on the backside of the Moon is a massive Mothership spacecraft. Period.
Official NASA Apollo 15 Stereograms:
Apollo 15 AS15-P-9625 (stereogram image):
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9625
Apollo 15 AS15-P-9630 (stereogram image):
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9630
Official NASA Apollo 17 Stereograms:
Apollo 17 AS17-M-2805 stereo pair:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS17/M/2805.jpg
Apollo 17 AS17-M-2806 stereo pair:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS17/M/2806.jpg
Unofficial Apollo 20 Stereogram:
The Big Money Comparison . . .
Official Apollo 15 and Unofficial Apollo 20 stereogram:
It all lines up. All of it. The Apollo 15 was shot at more of a oblique angle and slightly different sun angle, and shadow detail. The Apollo 20 shot was taken more directly overhead, and more shadow detail. By closing the right eye and looking through the left, and then closing the left quickly viewing through the right eye, and going back and forth, all of it can be compared when using a handheld stereoscope. It all lines up. It is the same Moon surface and the same Lunar anomaly on the backside of the Moon -- A massive Mothership. You can view it in 3D. One image is higher resolution, the other less.
I'm convinced. I do not think you could make a perfect model and shoot it and match it up perfectly like it does. The craft exists.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Sep 26, 2010 - 01:55am PT
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It's a rock.
Prove me wrong.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2010 - 01:58am PT
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It is not a rock. It is a 5km long and approx. 1km wide ship.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2010 - 02:11am PT
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Take time to learn something new. Get a pair of stereoscope glasses and be amazed. It can't be faked.
I've given you official Apollo 15 and 17 images and they are a perfect match with the unofficial Apollo 20 images. All in stereo viewing.
Once again prove me wrong.
Pull you heads out of the sand.
New word for you:
"Photogrammetry"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photogrammetry
It is a science, and part of my degree and background.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Sep 26, 2010 - 02:29am PT
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It just happens to look like a rock and even has craters on it, and is sticking out of the ground, but it must be a spaceship?
It's a rock. Prove me wrong.
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