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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 26, 2006 - 02:31pm PT
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Chris, leave it the way it is...it seems people police themselves pretty well. If people don't like the politics, they can choose to enter another forum topic.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Sep 26, 2006 - 02:58pm PT
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chris,
you have graciously created this place for all to use as they see fit.
i would return any emails sent to you complaining about things with a great big
FECK U! IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, DONT COME HERE!
is that all clear?
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Teth
climber
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Sep 26, 2006 - 03:20pm PT
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Would it be possible to require a poster to click an on topic/off topic button when posting and then setup a filter? Default the filter to show everything, but have on/off option buttons for “Show Climbing Posts” and “Show non-Climbing Posts”. Then people interested in reading climbing posts can turn off the “Show non-Climbing Posts” option and be able to find the week old topics which would otherwise be buried ten pages down. Once they have read through the climbing posts, they can turn the non-climbing posts back on for a bit of entertainment.
If that won’t work, then I vote for splitting the forum into climbing and non climbing sections. I am not suggesting you get carried away like RC.com. Just keep it simple. It is either directly climbing related or it isn’t. It would not be painfully difficult for people who want to read that non-climbing stuff to click one extra button to move to the non-climbing section.
Teth
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deuce4
Big Wall climber
the Southwest
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Sep 26, 2006 - 03:29pm PT
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How about a PHP script that nukes political posts on a random basis?
...with the requirement that political posts have to be prefaced with "POLITICAL".
But the interesting thing about Supertopo is that most of the political posts are by climbers, therefore they are kind of climber relevant.
Anyway, I never read them, myself. You are better off listening to Rush Limbaugh or watching Fox news if you are looking for a "this-is-what's-wrong-with-the-world-and-it's-all-their-fault" kind of fix.
At least fearmongering doesn't gather any credence on Supertopo (that's an encouraging sign).
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deuce4
Big Wall climber
the Southwest
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Sep 26, 2006 - 03:33pm PT
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Hey, how about a vote system that transfers posts into other categories?
(just learning PHP scripting myself right now, so it all seems like an interesting challenge).
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Sep 26, 2006 - 03:45pm PT
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yawn
(not intended at you directly, duece)
my opinion is that this whole forum ought to be nuked-
i'd guess out loud who would be most traumatized, but why bother picking fights on such a nice day out.
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T Moses
Trad climber
Paso Robles
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Sep 26, 2006 - 04:02pm PT
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Didn't bother to read the thread. IMHO all political discussion here should be nuked. If I want politics I'll go look it up. I come here to read and discuss CLIMBING!
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Sep 26, 2006 - 07:06pm PT
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Due to the cross section of political sentiments, professions and educational levels this site is, by far, the most interesting and enjoyable. Political sites are too ideologically driven, too narrow and too intolerant. Here, we can go at it with gusto.
I don't understand the desire to limit this site to only climbing: if you don't want to read non-climbing material, skip it. This site is able to fulfill all subject discussion very nicely. If it were limited to just climbing, you'd lose most of your traffic. There is nothing inhibiting the posting of climbing information on ST. I feel the real reason behind limiting the site has more to do with people that have no interest in politics etc.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand, Man.....
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Sep 26, 2006 - 07:24pm PT
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Woodman writes: If it were limited to just climbing, you'd lose most of your traffic
And in a realist vein..... so what????? Is all the political talk and other crap selling guidebooks for CMack? How many ST Guides do you own Woody? As you run your BS threads and then wait for the skillet to get hot, do you click over to the Routes Database and add comments or are you hitting the Taco Store for a guidebook or download? Any of you politicos doing this? Maybe you are, as I ain't checking. But if you ain't.....
CMac pays for this sandbox and regardless of who is an arrogant prick and assshole (me), a pathetic troll (RimJob) or other deviant (numerous) at least buy some shiit from the man or help out with info in the database from time to time.
Locker style edit: I would love a killfile/ignore button. That would make it all nice and fluffy in my world.
LEB style edit: I need to add some more stuff to the database too..... but no TR's for you Queens unless it is the one on how I buggered Bill Clinton from behind at the DNC a few years back. (which he enjoyed immensely by the way) I'm just not into the TR effort for a 45 minute stint on the first page. Call me selfish.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Sep 26, 2006 - 08:03pm PT
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For once I gotta go with Woody over Russ. Though I mostly avoid the political threads, when I do indulge, I like the melage.
I am an active climber and do own multiple ST guidebooks.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 26, 2006 - 08:15pm PT
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Awh fuk Russ I don't own any guide book, and I learned from all the political bullshit here how to become our next president of the USA.
I'm drafting your ass into the army when I become the white house man. Foot soldier you will be. Sargent Mussy, and you'll heve the rimmer in your platoon ..... hahahahaha
Oh man .........
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wildone
climber
Isolated in El Portal and loving it
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Sep 26, 2006 - 08:15pm PT
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I also agree with woody, never thought I'd say that.
I guess you could assume that everyone who posts and DOESN'T email you, whining about politics, is a yes vote for politics AND climbing.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand, Man.....
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Sep 26, 2006 - 08:43pm PT
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nutshell version/crystal ball version:
the Ideal:
Forum will bring people to Super Topo, a guidebook company, that exists for the purpose of selling a product.
People will blab on the forums and then buy guidebooks and tell their friends to come to the forum. Hopefully they will buy guidebooks too and tell more friends.
Famous people visit the forum and with them here, the forum can be featured in the SuperTopo newsletter, which will bring more people to the site and they will buy guidebooks.
People will share current route info in the database, which will make the next guidbook easier to produce and more accurate.... this info from the people is the give and take of hosting the forum... happy people = more info
random points:
political posts have not been featured in the newsletter, so they must not be as big a draw as climbing related stuff. People come here for the climbing content, not the poli/reli/OT stuff.
I've yet to hear anyone say " I wish there were more political post on the Taco....I'm leaving until there are less climbing posts on here." The flip side of that is I have heard MANY PEOPLE say they are either leaving or not visiting because there is too much political/religious/OT crap.
This is not a free speech zone. Chris pays for this. He can do what he wants (smokin nolens debacle), or do nothing. Cry all you want about being censored or not given a platform.... he is the Overlord. If you think the Nolens mess or all the poli/reli crap is selling books, I'd beg to differ.
Had some other stuff but the Dodgers are on (OT)
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Sep 26, 2006 - 08:54pm PT
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I own almost every ST guidebook and have done routes from all of them, except Alaska, This site is great and shows how diverse and strong willed climbers are. Free thinking individuals seldom get the leisure and luxury to express themselves as freely as they can within this ST forum, hope it remains that way and thankyou C. Mac...
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deuce4
Big Wall climber
the Southwest
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Sep 26, 2006 - 09:12pm PT
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Hey Mussy-
How 'bout those Cubbies?
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
one pass away from the big ditch
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Sep 27, 2006 - 12:48am PT
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Is lois a climber yet?
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Sep 27, 2006 - 01:07am PT
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I'm with Russ on this...
Using the "virtual campfire" analogy here, I gotta tell you...
All of you people who come here to talk politics,
going on and on ad nausium, thinking that your raising important "issues" etc...
I have never once been around a campfire with friends, climbers or not, and thought, "Hey, let's talk about politics! That would be fun!"
Hell no! That would be the biggest buzzkill I could imagine!
Please...give it a rest people.
I definitely came to the Taco Stand for the climbing discussions...NOT the political BS.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion...
even if it's wrong!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 27, 2006 - 01:50am PT
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god, has it been that long ago?!
I also stand by what I said....
...but I come here to discuss climbing and climbing related stuff.
I do own ST guides.
I do participate in off topic threads, especially about topics related science.
I very infrequently post to political threads, though I don't like ranting too much.
I do not look at threads that I consider a waste of time.
I try to post trip reports as much as possible and I'm a little bit chagrined that more people do not post there trips. Perhaps I spew too much, but I have no illusions of being an elite climber, I'm a weekender duffer... but I sure enjoy it when you all post up about climbing, past, present or future (well, ok, maybe not future, though I did not too long ago).
Chris pays for this site, and Chris gets to decide what goes on here, at least to some extent... I've always felt that it's his decision to make.
But by-and-large, SuperTopo Forum is a great creation as it is. I have read extensively on the written history of California (and Southwest) climbing, and nothing matches the breadth of what has shown up here. That alone would be a proud accomplishment, both of Chris' and the authors of the posts.
Bravo!
I'm all for continuing the success.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 27, 2006 - 02:51am PT
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UNLIKE a campfire, you can easily pick and choose what conversations you take part in. Personally I have been at plenty of campfires where political discussions have taken place, and we ALL have been at campfires where people go on and on and on about climbing ad nauseum til we're all sick of it.
Posts are like bolts baby! If you don't like em don't clip em!
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Sep 27, 2006 - 03:08am PT
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"Personally I have been at plenty of campfires where political discussions have taken place..."
You must roll with a fun crowd.
I've hung out with, partied with, climbed with, drank with,
at least a dozen people that post here and I don't think politics has ever come up...thankfully.
I don't mind a lot of the non-climbing related posts,
but when the majority of them are politics or religion,
I find that I don't even bother coming here very often,
because I know I haven't missed anything but a bunch of
arguing and name calling.
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