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Trump

climber

Apr 16, 2019 - 09:04pm PT

I was kind of hoping the place would be a repository for my photos and inciteful political commentary and historical record of climbing stories in the form of online internet forum posts, but turns out maybe I should have believed The Rolling Stones all those years ago.

Ah hell, you can try some times anyway. Thanks for trying guys!

JLP

Social climber

The internet

Apr 16, 2019 - 10:01pm PT

if someone slipped on your sidewalk and sued you personally

This actually happened at one of our rentals. We evicted their ass, it got elevated to the point a sheriff came over to physically remove them, they basically sued in retaliation for something that probably never happened - and didn’t get a dime - the defense didn’t cost us a dime either but everything was on the line. That’s one of a few lawsuits I’ve had my own skin in the game on.

Can we deactivate your account while someone restores this site back to last week?

For fuk’s sake - stop the deleting!

At least take a break for a week or two!!

Is this really all that urgent?

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Apr 16, 2019 - 11:30pm PT

Circular firing squad

mikeywally

climber

Apr 17, 2019 - 03:30am PT

is there any way for the average user to download the entire forum? in case it all goes away?

Rankin

Social climber

Winston-Salem, North Carolina

Apr 17, 2019 - 04:55am PT

Thanks Chris!

couchmaster

climber

Apr 17, 2019 - 06:06am PT

Thanks for making your positions clear RJ and Chris. You further explanations makes my heart very sympathetic. Of course I will adhere to the rules and hope others do as well.

I see people who have posted on this thread that I have tied in with whom I have had person to person political talks with. It seems like the drive to the crags we always talk about what we will be climbing, memories of previous outings and events, and lastly our lives and current events. Which includes politics, often heated: but never as rude and angry as it gets online. Seems that knowing your partner may be locking off a belay that will keep you off the deck or a ledge in a short time is conducive to a more harmonious discourse than found online with strangers:-)

I wish you well going forward. Difficulties will arise and in line with Mike Frederik's thoughtful post up thread, I have 2 words where current politics intersects dead on with climbing: Bears Ears. It will be a shame to not discuss it further, or to post to a old Bacher thread that missed deletion (anyone remember his "4th of you lie" thread talking about our countries 4th of July in a historical manner?). jb's existing (as of now) photobucket account shows that he ran @ 50-50 climbing and politics. Oh, but what climbing shots he had. https://s50.photobucket.com/user/johnbachar/library?page=1 But I digress.

For some great ex-Supertopian folks T Hocking, Moosedrool, former Ron Olevesky (Toker Villian), Lovegasoline, Fritz's photos, Dingus and a bunch of earlier axed folks - Jody, Ron Anderson, Locker,Fattrad, Pyro, Adam Burch (and any and all others I've missed): best of luck gentleman and sorry to see you off this way. Say hi to Cosmic and everyone else once you get to the other side. Getting back on here shouldn't be an issue once things cool off if it's an issue, but I suspect knott. Dingus, sorry to see you pull all of your content, I hope all of your excellent climbing stuff with Brutus from years back gets preserved. There is a robust and interesting discussion on MP about this thread: https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/116738075/supertopo-effectively-shuts-down-title-edited-for-the-wagon-circling-sensitive-t

Best to all

Gregory Crouch

Social climber

Walnut Creek, California

Apr 17, 2019 - 07:51am PT

Has anyone ever thought about actually thanking ChrisMac for hosting this forum?

We all seem to enjoy the heck out of it, and I'd guess it's nothing but an Eiger-sized pain in the ass for him.

Most of our howls from the wilderness strike me as little more than the squeals of spoiled children.

We in aggregate must be pretty close to the most unoppressed people on earth.

JLP

Social climber

The internet

Apr 17, 2019 - 09:14am PT

That's a great point GC, one everyone agrees with - but the sum of contributions here by others is many orders of magnitude larger and appears to not be getting much respect at the moment.

ExfifteenExfifteen

climber

Apr 17, 2019 - 09:17am PT

Has anyone ever thought about actually thanking ChrisMac for hosting this forum?

Really? folks here just want to talk climbing and talk politics. Then want free healthcare cuz they deserve it!!!

I think ChrisMac owes us a thanks for letting us have free entertainment!!!

Fritz

Social climber

Choss Creek, ID

Apr 17, 2019 - 09:19am PT

"Of course you're right!" I said, in my most convincing voice.

"I don't know what I was thinking, when I said let's climb that other one tomorrow."

At age 21 I learned the pissed off person uphill of you with a large rock is always right.

ExfifteenExfifteen

climber

Apr 17, 2019 - 09:21am PT

^ROFLMFAO... goddamnit Fritzy, that was awesome...

mooch

Trad climber

Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)

Apr 17, 2019 - 10:39am PT

How was your Humble Pie, Hocking?

Curt

climber

Gold Canyon, AZ

Apr 17, 2019 - 10:45am PT

Rec.climbing, RC.com, ST Forum--they come, they go. Life goes on.

Curt

Roadie

Trad climber

moab UT

Apr 17, 2019 - 12:06pm PT

I think NutAgain! said it well. As a regular lurker and occasional poster I can say that without the political aspect I would visit this site MUCH less often. And I would probably stop posting all together as most of my stories have a political/social aspect in addition to the climbing. I have posted a few things here that I could have sold to the mags (and got some much needed cash!) but instead decided to share with the community here. In a world quickly becoming much more polarized and authoritarian I find these New Rules disturbing. Some of the threads on this site I treat like porn in that, if I don't want to look at it I just don't click on it. This site is marketed as a climbers campfire. If I were to amble up to some fire in Camp 4, pass around a few beers and bring up the topic of, I don't know, charter schools and was told, "you can't talk about that at this fire." I'd go find a better fire. I hope that doesn't happen here.
Steve Seats

Fritz

Social climber

Choss Creek, ID

Apr 17, 2019 - 12:26pm PT

Since around 2010 I had used ST as host for all the photos I posted here. When the schist started coming down, I was somewhat concerned that the climbing history thread photos of old climbing magazine ads & catalog pages would be destroyed.

As of this morning, everything was intact. I now discover every last photo I had saved to ST is gone. There are no hot-links in the threads.

So, history fans. This history is not illustrated any longer.

Why would management want to destroy something like these historical threads?

CHOUINARD, GREAT PACIFIC IRONWORKS & Other Gear Threads
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2906806/CHOUINARD-GREAT-PACIFIC-IRONWORKS-Other-Gear-Threads

Chouinard carabiner timeline 12/11/2010
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1327553

Royal Robbins/Mountain Paraphernalia timeline & history.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1022257&msg=1022257

Gauloises, Don Whillians, the Frogs & Climbing history.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1410426/Gauloises-Don-Whillans-the-Frogs-and-Climbing-History

Here's what happened to every one of my photos stored on st.

Don Paul

Social climber

Washington DC

Apr 17, 2019 - 12:37pm PT

Fritz, I think someone mentioned the "wayback machine." Did you know that someone has been backing up the entire internet (what's indexed anyway) on a daily basis for years and making it available for free? I haven't checked it for this but they have probably archived all your posts.

Of course this is a galactic sized copyright infringement lol.

I had a website once, many years of work and thousands of pages (non climbing). One day my provider Icdc went out of business. No website, no emails, no advance notice at all. Luckily I could download gigabytes of my materials from the wayback.

Fritz

Social climber

Choss Creek, ID

Apr 17, 2019 - 12:44pm PT

nah000

climber

now/here

Apr 17, 2019 - 01:04pm PT

i’d have more respect for the management (tm) if they just killed the whole deal... as long as they gave a week or two for people to do some wayback machining to back somethings up before the whole kit and caboodle disappeared.

given the lack of a real explanation, all I can figure is that it seems like they wish they could have the civility and climbing focus of a mountain project but without having to invest into either moderation or better code...

i get there is no money to be had and that’s fine... then either kill it if this has truly turned into the liability that they are acting as though it is, or if they truly have to make all of these changes then a simple heads up and a timed notice would have been a lot more fruitful than the “oh, by the way, we just changed the code so you can no longer see any photos that aren’t hosted by us” and “oh, by the way we’re now deleting either all of the photos or full accounts of major contributors because we might have seen an illegal photo”... after it’s already in the process of being done...

biggest issue i have is there seems to be a complete lack of understanding regarding what huge swaths of the internet are based on: can you imagine facebook, reddit, et al existing where there was no such thing as a collective commons or fair use and so the only way a person could post an image was if they took it themselves?

what a joke that would be.

and so what a joke this has become.

unfortunate... but it appears minds are already made up, so it’s going to be what it’s going to be...

all i’ll finish with is that anyone who thinks supertopo without politics, off site image hosting being displayed in all of the historical threads or the ability to post photos that are commonly owned or utilized under fair use... is going to be a better place? yeah, no. these actions just hasten this joints demise...

still, i appreciate what has been done over the years and given the archaic structural foundations to this board it’s impressive it has gone on as long as it has... for that i still owe a sincere thanks to chris, rj and the rest of the team... and someday if our paths cross probably at least a round or seven on me...