Maturing of climbing as a sport & the rise of gyms NYTimes

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Blue Mountains Orangutan

Sport climber

Sydney, Australia

Aug 21, 2015 - 07:39pm PT

Gym climbing reminds me of a Bingo Hall on a Friday night.

Yeah lots of hot chicks.

The Chief

climber

Lurkerville east of Goldenville

Aug 21, 2015 - 08:31pm PT

Yeah lots of hot chicks.

Really... Oh Man! You should really consider taking up golf now.

WBraun

climber

Aug 21, 2015 - 08:51pm PT

Oh cry us a river

Warbler had the hottest chicks back then too.

His girlfriend back then won the best lookin legs in in some hot leg contest.

Give it up, you're all taking him way way out of context .....

WBraun

climber

Aug 21, 2015 - 09:08pm PT

Oh cry us another river.

I'm takin up bingo with all those "hot chicks" in the chiefs photo above.

Climbers are stooopid and all their stoopid problems are stoopid too .....

The Chief

climber

Lurkerville east of Goldenville

Aug 21, 2015 - 09:18pm PT

And B-I-N-G-O... was his name.

Edit: "Your Girl" Jim??? If I ever said that to the Boss she'd pull out and utilize her Glock 19 and put a Cap in my a*# for sure.

Just saying...

The Chief

climber

Lurkerville east of Goldenville

Aug 21, 2015 - 09:22pm PT

Apparently Kevin, none of them "women" you associate with have nor know how to utilize a Glock. Regardless the model number/type.

The Chief

climber

Lurkerville east of Goldenville

Aug 21, 2015 - 09:39pm PT

Not dead... you'd just be walking around funnee with that cap in your a*# for the rest of your life reminding you who's truly the----- BOSS!

ANYONE knows that the real BOSS in any relationship is the WIFE! She always wins, always. And please don't even try telling us they don't.

The Chief

climber

Lurkerville east of Goldenville

Aug 21, 2015 - 09:43pm PT

Trudy prefers making me help with her garden and caring for hummingbirds rather than getting her point across with a Glock.

Glock, Hummingbirds, garden, that look they give you when... what ever. Same o same o. They win. Always.

Edit: You got issues with your ladder Jim?

Get ya one of these.... I guarantee the issue is remedied very quickly.

[Click to View YouTube Video]

The Chief

climber

Lurkerville east of Goldenville

Aug 21, 2015 - 09:54pm PT

Yeah but it's all a good thing.

Spot on... and keeping that on the table of our thickass stubborn heads 24/7 helps feed the mice that spin the wheel of serenity within the relationship.

The peace part, will, without some vineger in the mix periodically, the deal would certainly be .... booooooooooooooooooooring.

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Edit: To get back to the OP, the above video can represent Traditional Climbers and the new wave Gym Rats. Ya'll pick the color that best suits the two.

viv.r.e

climber

Sacramento

Aug 22, 2015 - 12:43pm PT

Warbler, if your initial comments had just been about gyms, then this thread would have never become the equivalent of jamming your hand into a crack full of bat guano. Or at least it would have been a different flavor of guano.

A lot of the actual comments you made about the rise in the number of women (holy sh!t 50/50) in gyms climbing helping to tame climbing look like this to me:

http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

I think that in 10, 20 years you will see more women outside and more women putting up FAs/FFAs. People like Lynn Hill, Ines Papert, and Hazel Findlay aren't anomalies any more than any other climber who pushes at that level. They are a sign of what's possible and what's coming.

In the end it does seem stoopid to make moral judgments about climbing. At least the people in climbing gyms aren't sitting on a couch all weekend. I think one thing the article hints at toward the end is that since the sport is expanding so quickly even if you're a gym climber who wants to become an adventure climber, it's hard to find a good mentor to make that transition safe. More people definitely changes the dynamic, but that has to do with accessibility to gyms and training--it's not really about the ratio of men to women in the sport. If that's not what you meant initially, then maybe you should just read back what you actually wrote through the thread about women. That's why anyone would be confused about what you're trying to say:

I think an increase in female participation has all but tamed the wild beast that climbing was 50 years ago when I started climbing mountains.

There are still wild places in the Sierra for people comfortable with a map, a compass and manzaneering. Part of me thinks it's stoopid that I even responded to this thread. Why throw white gas on embers? I'm going outside now--no more computer this weekend!

cat t.

climber

california

Aug 22, 2015 - 01:09pm PT

There are still wild places in the Sierra for people comfortable with a map, a compass and manzaneering.

C'mon Viv, men are just trying to protect women by keeping them away from the rough world of manzaneering. Their hair could get stuck in the branches--can you imagine the consequences?! They might get their braids so tangled in manzanita bushes that they die out there. And those that survive--those women might get so wild and unfeminine they even cut their hair short.

cat t.

climber

california

Aug 22, 2015 - 07:36pm PT

Hey Kevin,

I think it's clear to everyone--you included--that this is not a battle of the sexes. It's a battle of everyone else versus Kevin. It's kind of unfair, actually, and I feel a bit bad that you've been backed into this corner. I'm sorry about that. I'm sure you're an awesome guy and we all kind of suck for ganging up on you.

No one is defending ME in this thread. (Except maybe Matt. Thanks Matt; I have no idea why you still think I'm a badass, but I'll take it.) Everyone else is defending my ideas. No one is attacking you. (Well, maybe. If we were, we shouldn't've been.) They're disagreeing with your ideas.

The men of SuperTopo are not a bunch of pussy-whipped whimperers who rush to defend women because their manliness has been stripped away by shrewish wives, the feminist agenda, and closely spaced bolts. They are tough, adventurous, opinionated men, many of whom have done and still do a great deal to push climbing forward, and they listen with an open mind to the IDEAS of women. Because women are people.

The women of SuperTopo do not automatically defend someone simply because she's a woman. They listen to her ideas, and if they agree, they will stand by those ideas. And by the same token, they consider male-generated ideas with exactly the same weight. Because men are people.

If I suddenly went bat-shit crazy and started spouting sexist nonsense about how all men suck, believe me, all the men and women who'd previously defended my ideas would back away in horror. My opinion would carry no weight if it were rooted in a frenzy of emotional man-hating.

I wish you all the best, man. I'd like to discuss ideas with you, not dogmas. Happy climbing!

From lab on a Saturday night while my silly feet heal themselves up,
Caitlin

WBraun

climber

Aug 22, 2015 - 07:44pm PT

The men of SuperTopo are not a bunch of pussy-whipped whimperers

Are you sure ... :-)

cat t.

climber

california

Aug 22, 2015 - 07:46pm PT

I dunno there Werner; I think you might be about the wimpiest man that ever tried to climb :P

WBraun

climber

Aug 22, 2015 - 07:48pm PT

So true .....

cat t.

climber

california

Aug 22, 2015 - 07:54pm PT

It's ok, maybe Kevin will let you TR his warmups ;)

Werner, you're the most progressive dude here...you understand that everyone sucks equally!!!

WBraun

climber

Aug 22, 2015 - 08:03pm PT

LOL

Poor Kevin took some "hits" in this thread ... :-)

Just like many years ago when I passed thru the parking lot behind the Lodge on the way back to Camp 4.

Some guy was selling "lids" for $10.

Then I got over to Camp 4 and Largo and Warbler yell over at me and ask me if I got any weed.

I hand them the mint "lid" I just bought and head back to the Lodge to hang out with Yabo.

I get back to Camp 4 hours later and they smoked 90% of that lid.

That was a lot of hits.

LOL ......

cat t.

climber

california

Aug 22, 2015 - 08:19pm PT

I get back to Camp 4 hours later and they smoked 90% of that lid.

That was a lot of hits.

LOL!! Must've had a higher tolerance back then ;)

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Aug 22, 2015 - 08:41pm PT

The men of SuperTopo are not a bunch of pussy-whipped whimperers who rush to defend women because their manliness has been stripped away by shrewish wives, the feminist agenda, and closely spaced bolts.

That's where you're wrong girlfriend. There are a few exceptions of course, but most of the so-called "men" on the Stupid Toke-O have lower T than a crate of Earl Grey in the Marianas Trench.

Metro anorexic SNAG fluff boys in skinny jeans, "ironic" hats (hint boys: they're not), creative facial hair, sipping their soy chai lattes, and getting spanked by stuff that's not even hard enough for the 9 year old girls I coach to warm up on.