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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 28, 2017 - 09:46am PT
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If you commit to having an open-marriage with someone who has been seeing a number of other people on a long-term basis, but then suddenly decide you want them all to yourself, you can pretty much count on things getting messy - especially when all the invested players also have deep pockets.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Apr 28, 2017 - 05:08pm PT
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Monolith,that is something.
Hope they make a van for that.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Apr 28, 2017 - 06:42pm PT
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i think a mars colony would be fantastic...
no, no... hear me out:
it wouldn't be a colony so much as a "resort".
and the only people that would be allowed there would be every single primary elected leader of a recognized country on earth.
anytime a president, prime minister, presidente, chancellor, and/or etc gets elected they would also receive a mandatory month long stay on the "resort" on mars.
there would be no service staff at said "resort".
rather the "resort" would be more, shall we say, d.i.y. and self-service style.
we'd give 'em a good manual, and then they'd have to survive on mars for a month... hopefully they'd gain two things: 1. a better ability to cooperate with whatever other leaders were there at the time and 2. a new appreciation for the fact that, while we as individuals only get, if we're lucky, 120 years to do something with our lives, as a species the acts we collectively take now on earth, define the existences of generations to come on what is the most incredible and, for the time being only, accessible place for humans to exist.
and if they kill each other, you ask?
what happens on mars... stays on mars.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Apr 28, 2017 - 07:26pm PT
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Ok , I will play.
The place is too cold.
We know how to warm planets.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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May 20, 2017 - 05:22pm PT
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Moose:
Visions come cheap (but they are necessary).
What matters more is the ability to make them come true.
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WBraun
climber
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May 20, 2017 - 06:23pm PT
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Nothing in the gross material world ever becomes true except ...
Birth, death, disease and old age ......
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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May 24, 2017 - 08:46pm PT
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Of course
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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May 25, 2017 - 06:35am PT
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It’s a manner of speaking, Werner. I get paid to teach the stuff, so I do. It's the apparent role I'm in here in the drama, and it’s how we talk.
How things really happen?
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Pffffttttt! Can’t say, even though I see it.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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May 25, 2017 - 06:38am PT
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Mr. Musk tends to have innovative product market ideas that invariably rely upon complementary product / services being built. Like a charging station infrastructure, or accepted technical standards in the industry, or enough upscale buyers so that the auto company could eek out economies of scale.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 25, 2017 - 01:44pm PT
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He should skip the whole Mars boondoggle and use his resources to explore Europa.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Obviously a guy who can get things done.
Now the robot drone TR clip up idea... That would be good. Alert R&D at Petzl. Those stupid crash pads will become obsolite.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Moosie, time to bail!
Tesla stock plunges into bear market territory
What a difference a couple of weeks can make. After hitting an all-time high in late June, Tesla shares have collapsed 20 percent as of midday Thursday on mounting concerns about its sales results, competition and the safety of its cars.
Traders consider a 20 percent decline from an all-time high the technical definition of a bear market move.
The electric-car maker's stock fell 5,5 percent Thursday, bringing losses for the week to more than 14 percent.
"Tesla's stock was pushed to ridiculous levels on the notion that the Model 3 would be a slam-dunk success," said Fred Hickey, editor of High Tech Strategist. The company's "$100,000+ models aren't selling as well and are piling up in inventory (the relatively small pool of potential buyers at these prices may be exhausted). This bubble stock is losing air rapidly, as it should."
Multiple Wall Street firms including Goldman Sachs, Bernstein, KeyBanc Capital and Cowen expressed disappointment over Tesla's second-quarter delivery results in notes to clients the last two days.
Goldman analyst David Tamberrino cited how Tesla's second-quarter deliveries number released Monday of approximately 22,000 cars missed his forecast of 23,500 and the Wall Street consensus of 24,200.
Tesla cited a production issue with its 100 kilowatt-hour battery packs for the second-quarter deliveries shortfall.
"Tesla's Q2 production and deliveries report raised more questions than answers, particularly about Model S and X demand," Bernstein's Toni Sacconaghi wrote in a note to clients Wednesday.
After the weaker-than-expected deliveries number, Volvo announced Wednesday that it will phase out combustion engine-only cars. The automaker's new cars will be all electric or hybrid by 2019.
"This announcement marks the end of the solely combustion engine-powered car," Volvo Cars Chief Executive Hakan Samuelsson said, according to a Reuters report.
The Volvo news came after a Handelsblatt Global article last week, which said BMW plans to introduce an electric version of its popular 3-Series line of sedans later this year.
In addition to the rising competition, one of the key selling points for Tesla's cars is now being called into doubt.
On Thursday, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety's Dave Zuby questioned Tesla's claim that the Model S is the safest car in history after a series of new crash tests.
"If you're looking for top-line safety, we believe there are other, better choices than the Model S," Zuby told CNBC.
Tesla declined to comment on this story. Its shares are up 53 percent this year versus the S&P 500's 8.7 percent return through Wednesday.
The company's market value is about $50.7 billion, which is now below General Motor's $52.7 billion, according to FactSet.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk had bigger concerns than the company's falling stock price Thursday morning.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/topstocks/tesla-stock-plunges-into-bear-market-territory/ar-BBDRy0g?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Yep,you are right.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Occam's Razor
"It is vain to do with more what one can do with less."
~ William of Occam
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Damn, I missed a Tesla buy opportunity. They'll fix that seatbelt problem and have 3 models with the highest safety rating.
Despite the recent weakness, Tesla’s stock was still up 44.6% over the course of 2017, while Ford shares have lost 7.8%, GM’s stock has inched up 0.1% and the S&P 500 index SPX, -0.94% has gained 7.6%.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Electric vehicle sales are less than one percent of all vehicle sales. What in the hell is Volvo thinking?
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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The whole electric care thing is elitist. It is for the few and doesn't provide the needs for the many - not that some electric cars won't be a good thing.
The problem with electric cars is rare earth metals needed for batteries. There's not enough to go around for everyone's car battery and China controls most of it (part of China's global game of Go that we mistake for checkers).
Nuclear energy production of hydrogen is another option for transportation and will probably end up being part of the solution.
Algae biofuel will probably end up being the non-elitist option for the masses. High oil algae can be turned into biofuel that saves 80% on the carbon emission associated with regular fuel. The waste product can be used as fertilizer and to feed chickens, pigs, sheep and cattle in support of sustainable agriculture.
Elon - poster boy for ADD - loves those bright and shiny things.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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As the graphene batteries become more readily available and not just for NASA, the range of the Tesla will improve; where I currently live, it's a no-go. Having a solar powered house with excess power will allow the city dweller unrestricted mobility. Crunching the numbers is appalling, though.
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