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Roger Breedlove
Trad climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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I am really sorry.
Terribly so, Lois, for questioning your commitments.
I wished I had not made a joke in such an insensitive way.
Now that I see your point of view, I feel really bad.
If you like I'll delete my posts.
Geeze, Karl, this is some powerful stuff!!!
Buzz
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Ouch!
climber
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"Now that I see your point of view, I feel really bad."
LOL! Yeah Right! Roger. BWA!
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Roger, if you delete your posts in this thread, I will delete mine. Maybe we can get lazide to figure out which thread in ST history had the most individual deletions...
Hey, if we all deleted our posts except for the first, we could then post and delete every day. Maybe this thread could set the record for appearing on the first page the longest. Without any answers except for the OP.
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Teth
climber
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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LEB, I am offended that you did not actually read my post. Apparently you just skimmed it and assumed you knew what I was saying without actually reading it carefully. As I read each post carefully, and find it difficult to read and write, being dyslexic, it is annoying when someone does that! I suppose on the up side you probably did not notice that I misspelled “deed” and “heart”.
Maybe if I use caps you will read it: MANY PEOPLE HAVE ATTEMPTED THE ROUTE CALLED WINGS OF STEEL. SO FAR NO ONE ELSE HAS COMPLECTED THE CLIMB. So far the best recorded attempt made it to the 9th pitch. The people who made it to the 9th pitch had to turn back because it was taking way longer than they expected and they were running out of water.
Completely aside from this whole WoS thing, what really bothers me is that you will read something and not know what was written. It means that I have completely wasted my time in writing the post. Considering the amount of effort it requires for me to write a post, I find this vary offensive. Disagree with me if you want, say I am an assshole if you must, or just don’t read the stuff I write, but don’t just read the first and last word of each sentence and assume you know what I said!
Also, if you are actually bothering to read this and I am not just wasting my time again, I said to go to a climbing cliff, not specifically Yosemite. There are probably climbing cliffs in your area which are not packed with as many tourists as Yosemite. By the way, my wife feels the same about crowds as your husband, and we found that the tourists never stray more than 100 feet from the paved trails in Yosemite, so we found it very easy to be alone with nature in the valley. But again, you don’t need to go to Yosemite. Any crag where people are climbing will do.
Teth
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Lois, Devil's Tower is in NE wyoming, 100miles west of Rapid city South Dakota. You can go there, see the climbers, and then drive another 100 miles to the Bighorn Mtns, where, if you plan right you will see almost no one. Fewer poeple than say, Dinosaur.
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Mimi
Trad climber
Seattle
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Rimjob, I see you're back in this forum. And you're insulting people just to be rude. You've basically ruined this thread. If you were half a man, you'd delete your posts from it.
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sandstone and sky
Trad climber
AK
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LEB - "Try to understand that it is sometimes very difficult for me to follow these discussions - including your well thought out replies - because I lack some fundamental common knowledge which most everyone has."
Which is fairly obvious. No offense intended, but there you go.
Your questions could, to a large extent, be very easily answered by one trip to the rock to directly observe the very basic stuff that you are asking about. Or you could rent a few videos. Several people have (politely) suggested both. If that's too much effort, how about a trip to the local rock gym? They'll show you how the basics work.
I would submit that given the level of understanding implied by your questions, you are not going to gain any real understanding of the concepts at hand without actually going out and seeing them in action.
One observation: Preferring to have others type thousands of words to try to explain what is head-slappingly simple to understand when you actually just see it done is a little, what? Lazy? Selfish? Maybe those words are too strong, but I wonder if you as a professor would let your students get away with asking for this level of spoon feeding.
The last question that occurs to me is, if you aren't willing to go see for yourself how this stuff works, how can you be interested enough in it to type as much as you do?
Not trying to be offensive, just direct, and that's how it reads from this end.
Thoughts?
SS
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Lois - Half the people in this thread are mocking you. Others are laughing at the ones who did.
You presume to know something at all about my son's mother, not to mention raj, and me. You presume to tell him how to run his life despite not having had a single child yourself, nor having even once met him.
Why would anybody listen to your advice? You write far more poorly than Raj, your grammar wouldn't get you through 9th grade where he went to school, you can't spell, and are not bright enough to make up for it by using a spell checker. You sure would not understand the comedy channel.
I can think of many people on this forum who could give raj good advice. You are not one of them. You have never given him good advice. Look in the mirror. What do you see? Not what most people here see, I wager.
I stop now, while I am still civil.
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Mimi
Trad climber
Seattle
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Rimjob and TradIsSad,
Participants on this forum elect to communicate with other participants. Duh? Who are you to determine whether a participant's opinion does not warrant inclusion? Simply stay out of the thread.
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WBraun
climber
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Rajmit
You're the smartest mo'fuker in the land, but you got no heart.
Without a heart you're brain is nulled.
Even and idiot like me can see that ................
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Lois, my questions were rhetorical.
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roslyn
Trad climber
washington
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Interesting to follow this battle between leb and rajmit.
Lois, raj is not a child, he's a young adult and responsible for his own behavior. Calling TIS into the fray and asking him to control his offspring, is tad amount to "tattling".
I might not agree with what raj has to say, but really, age has nothing to do with how i treat his posts. I find it very old school that you would demand respect because of age.
And yes, i do have personal experience with young adults. I have a teenage son (and daughter) close to raj's age. If they were being internet trolls or a$$es i would hold them personally responsible................not me or their father.
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roslyn
Trad climber
washington
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my teenage son is 17 and a participant on many different forums...............mostly computer programming sites. He also has an on line comic. I feel he is mature enough to be responsible for his actions on line. For the most part, he is on line unsupervised. There['s not much difference between 17 and 18.
i believe you should deal with raj and not call the parents into the fold. And i think it's bad form to start questioning parenting skills or suggest counselling. Really, is it any of your business. deal with the troll instead
this is the interenet, things may appear differently than in real life.
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sandstone and sky
Trad climber
AK
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LEB- "If you truly do not perceive a problem here then the pathology is deeper then you realize."
Funny that you mention that.
I would respectfully submit that there might also be some interesting pathology involved with the extent to which you've projected your personal life onto this site. Many, if not most, of the people here know others here personally, and those that don't are bound by a common interest in our sport. You fit neither of those definitions, yet are one of the most prolific posters here, and tend to give a lot of unsolicited personal advice to folks who don't really appear to need any. You get worked up by offhand comments (most of which are jokes that you miss) from people you don't know. I would add that I don't think that any of these things are entirely normal.
Some of your direct posts to JL, WB, RW and the like are sort of cringingly amazing to me - it's a little like me calling Ted Williams at home to ask how many points a home run scores - and then asking him to write a few pages to explain further because I don't really have any plans to ever play baseball, and I can't stand crowds long enough to go to the park to watch a game and figure it out for myself.
The graciousness of their replies is incredible to me. I can only imagine how Ted Williams would respond. OK, bad example maybe. How about Barry Bonds?
In a misguided attempt to drag this back on track, I will point out that part of the reason that people are telling you to go just once and see this for yourself is that until you do, you will have no idea of the magnitude of effort, talent, and commitment involved in doing what some of these guys do. And until you understand that, you will have no idea who you are really talking to here, and why we hold these previously mentioned guys in such high esteem.
Once again, no negative vibes attached, just honest questions. And if you'd rather continue your poo flinging match with the Rimmer, have at it. My questions will still be here when you get done.
SS
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand, Man.....
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Hey Rimmer... why don't you and your assshole dad just fukk off and beat it... mkay????
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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I have almost finished reading John Long’s Rock Jocks, Wall Rats and Hang Dogs ...
If you ever actually do finish it, could you send it to me?
Sounds like it could be a fascinating book. [honest, I have never read it.]
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Rajmit, bad! Russ Walling is old enough to be your grandfather! In other words, he is older than dirtineye.
Besides he is a climber and might or might not have dumped excrement on somebody's ropes.
Thow him thumb rethpect.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand, Man.....
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Hey Trad... give up on the comedy. You make yourself just look more pathetic. You ain't got it....
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Teth
climber
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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LEB, lets think of WoS as a hike if it will be more understandable for you. These newcomers did this hike which they found very rewording. The hike linked into an established trail after 13 miles. Because this hike was over rough terrain everyone assumed that they chopped trees down and moved rocks around in order to cross streams and get up steep sections. The route they hiked was marked by piles of rock (metaphor for bolts on the climb) which is how others could find and follow the same route they hiked. (People accused them of making too many piles of rock.)
Then many people tried to follow the same hike, but most of them could not find the trail because the terrain was so rough, and did not get past the first mile before they had to tern back. One guy got five miles into the hike but had to turn back because it was too hot and he was running out of water. When he told people that he had found that other than the piles of rock which mark the trail there were no cut trees or moved stones. However, although he was a well respected hiker, no one would believe him because they did not want to believe that these newcomers could have done the hike without cutting trees and moving rocks. Then another group of hikers got 9 miles into the hike before running out of water and turning back, but they did not tell anyone about it because they were just there for the hike and did not care about what others thought about it. Now after much arguing about the hike all the hikers decided to offer beer to Buckle Your Bouts Bob, a well known and experienced hiker, to go check out this hike and see if the hike is really the butchery of nature that people assume it is, or the challenging and almost unaltered hike the newcomers claim it is.
Bob tried the hike and got lost in the first mile. Then Bob got someone to go to the first mile marker by an easier route and blow an air horn repeatedly so that he could find his way. Even then Bob had to use a plank he had brought with him in several places to cross streams. Bob was not able to do the hike, but proclaimed to all that it was a challenging and almost unaltered hike through very rough terrain.
Hopefully I have not stretched my analogy too much, but that is something like how it went down.
Teth
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand, Man.....
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Rimmer... are you suffering from no Mommy-itis or something? Between you and your celibate Dad, you sure spend a lot of time fixated on LEB.
Maybe Ass-Dad™™ could get you both a hooker or something and drop the DSB level a bit.
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