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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 24, 2012 - 04:33am PT
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massive doping conspiracy
Is Licky doing the book?
Bicycle riding should be banned from the world of dope. It's giving entrepreneurial job creators a bad name.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 24, 2012 - 05:05am PT
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Breaking news:
Ali accepts lifetime ban from boxing for using the rope-a-dope.
Sonny Liston revives himself from the grave for another title run, is scheduled to meet Lance Armstrong in cage fight.
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Damn this looks high
Trad climber
Temecula, CA
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Aug 24, 2012 - 08:31am PT
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Here's why doping matters.
A child grows up on a bicycle and develops a great love for cycling, dreaming of making it to the professional ranks, winning big races, like the Tour de France. If doping is rampant--if everyone does it--then that child ultimately has to make a decision: either dope or give up on the dream that has consumed his or her life.
DOPE or GIVE UP YOUR DREAM.
That's a decision no person should have to make and no parent should have to imagine for his child.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Aug 24, 2012 - 09:18am PT
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What bothers me as much as the actual doping (which, almost certainly he did) is the lying to everybody about it. I can't imagine what it must be like to lie to everybody, all of the time and to then lash out against the knowing accusers and call THEM liars. He (and the rest of them who have cheated) must have an unreal ability to compartmentalize.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Aug 24, 2012 - 09:36am PT
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The Chief... seek help. You have a lot of hate for something that probably doesn't affect you in any real way.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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Aug 24, 2012 - 10:29am PT
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Who is Lance Armstrong?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 24, 2012 - 10:30am PT
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You know Jim, that was always the argument against baseball.
I'm 5'7" on a good day. My dad was on the US Men's national Volleyball team. My favorite athlete was Michael Jordan. From age 2 to 15 I loved nothing more than Basketball, and to an extent volleyball.
Then I didn't grow. High school basketball coach said I was too short, only men's rec league for volleyball around was a complete joke. I wasn't BAD at these sports, I mean heck, I trained maybe 3 hours a day on my home court.
My dream got crushed because I was a short f*#k. Yeah, some guys can be short too and play those sports (my dad is 6'5", and I was a huge kid, so I figured I would be tall, too). But really... nope. You won't find many avenues for success.
Build your children to love and honor themselves. Idols are just people, Michael Jordan is a huge jerkoff to media and fans. Instill a belief system and values not based on a multi-millionaire. Sure, kids are going to gravitate towards 'heroes,' but the world is a sick place and the emperor has no clothes. Cycling is broken, and I agree, should be fixed. It absolutely should NOT be something that you can't compete with unless you make those decisions.
But that's cycling's problem. Maybe at the highest level there really IS no way to compete at the world class level with out some kind of foul play? Better break it to Junior early, rather than later...
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Aug 24, 2012 - 10:43am PT
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probably worth mention on this thread, one of george carlin's last routines was something called "it can kill you".
he began by introducing himself as an old f*#k, and went on to make an important distinction between an old f*#k and an old fart.
later, quite worked up, he declared,
"f*#k lance armstrong! f*#k him and his steroids! and while we're at it, f*#k tiger woods!"
the applause was thunderous.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 24, 2012 - 11:03am PT
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LOL !!!!
If Lance didn't dope, hes the greatest cyclist EVER, because he beat all the others that doped like hell.
If Lance doped, hes still the greatest cyclist EVER, because everyone doped and he still beat them...
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steve shea
climber
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Aug 24, 2012 - 11:04am PT
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I guess Lance may have doped. So what. The doping and cycling success, to me are irrelevant. To have two feet in the grave, survive and compete at his level was an inspiration for me. I got cancer and obviously see this through that prism. LA helped me deal with it. Chief has been on a similar rant before. Pretty entertaining really. Like the Swiftboaters, current Teabagger Seals, and racist scientifically ignorant bible thumpers, where do you get the hate? You look so life like.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Aug 24, 2012 - 11:07am PT
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not having read through this thread, have we discussed top rockclimbers who dope? magic mushrooms? top climbers who are dopes?
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Some Random Guy
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Aug 24, 2012 - 11:11am PT
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those panzy ass frenchies are just scared of a one balled wonder putting them all to shame on their own turf.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Aug 24, 2012 - 11:18am PT
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ONCE again.....couldn't agree more with Werner. Over 500 test SINCE 2000, ALL negative. Either the testing process is worthless.....500 tests,0 positives, or Armstrong is legit.
Would be like you getting convicted of murder, with NO proof other than from other convicted murderers who said you did it.
The testing NEEDS to get it's act together, one way or another.
Peace
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 24, 2012 - 11:21am PT
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Well as far as F*cKing people, given a choice I'd take Tiger's former wife (only after my current one, though).
Tony raises some interesting points, No?
What about surfers who ride the Pipleline or the Wedge on acid?
BTW, is LSD banned in cycling?
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Aug 24, 2012 - 11:36am PT
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omg 130 posts...
Back in the day I bought LIVESTRONG yellow bracelet. I want my 1$ back!
500 tests,0 positives, or Armstrong is legit.
Or he had used a substance that he was not tested for. They know when they will be tested, and how much time it takes for substance to leave the body. Guys like this do not take roids from Mexico, they take real custom made sh#t legit docs work on.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 24, 2012 - 11:38am PT
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In another note, Sparks writes, "Among the Court's concerns is the fact that USADA has targeted Armstrong for prosecution many years after his alleged doping violations occurred, and intends to consolidate his case with those of several other alleged offenders, including - incredibly - several over whom USA Cycling and USOC apparently have no authority whatsoever. Further, if Armstrong's allegations are true, and USADA is promising lesser sanctions against other allegedly offending riders in exchange for their testimony against Armstrong, it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that USADA is motivated more by politics and a desire for media attention than faithful adherence to its obligations to USOC."
And this is too good to pass up:
Most here that adore and defend LA are in the 99% group that totally disdains and hate Wall Street.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 24, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
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I was thinking? Oh yeah, my brain did it? :-)
Armstrong is HUGE, he's a monster, bigger than anything around.
Is this really gonna happen?
Or I bet somebody is gonna put a stop to it?
Obama??????
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Aug 24, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
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Long live Lance! he is the best no matter what.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Aug 24, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
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You'd have to see the quality and the quantity of the females following him on the TdF to fully appreciate the magic of the LA Brand. I'm Jelly.
@ The Chief - Why all the rage here? On a climbing forum? Did you take it to a forum where you'll get a real reaction? Can't see it. Put it at the thread below. Should be awesome. Like your Battleship Wisconsin Photo.
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=4125568;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread
Personally, I dunno where the Frick they get off doing this so much later. Like the powers that be suddenly decide Al Gore really did win in 2000. You'd think there would be some sort of limit.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Aug 24, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
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They know when they will be tested
actually they don't always know. If they are leading a race or won a stage/race then they know. There are some pretty funny stories about guys sitting in resturants (or just in public) and having to get tested.
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