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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Feb 20, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
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I'm going with #17 as #1, Carlos in '08.
OK....well....I guess I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Feb 22, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
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Fuq Lance, he walked away from helping the sport that made him what he is (or actually what everyone else though he was and thereby made him a mega millionare).
What a dick.
Kudos to Tyler and Floyd...oh yes.
The young racers that are players now need Lance to come clean to help their futures. It's clear that the Omerta is still strong with many old timers with sway in the sport....like fuqing Ekimov.
No one else has the potential to do more good for the sport, so where the hell is he?
I repeat.."what a dick." And what arrogance.
Check this out.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/news/sources-feds-will-reverse-course-and-join-landis-suit_275504
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Feb 22, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
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There may be a bigger impact on cleaning up the sport if he drags it out. Gives more time for more info to come out to take the UCI down. He was allowed to do what he did.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 22, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
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I'm going with number 18, Gianni Bugno.....Buns of steel and now flying rescue chopper in the dolomites...He's probably met the Chief at some point in time....RJ
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Feb 22, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
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DR.F. I agree 100%.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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Oct 10, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
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Just what was Sheryl Crow going to be charged with?
Yanqui si, gestapo no! No?
Apparently, when federal agents approached Crow in 2011, she was reportedly offered a deal to avoid prosecution by telling what she'd seen. The Washington Post reported that, according to the book, Crow then told a Food and Drug Administration investigator that she'd seen her ex receiving the illegal transfusion.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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Oct 10, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
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All inteteresting guesses, but as far as I can discern Crow never testified before a grand jury, nor any other jury. Likewise, there appears to be no occasion where she testified under oath, thus no perjury.
Clearly this is just brown-shirt bullying at it's worst.
Conspiracy is a great catch all, used whenever there is no good evidence of any other chargeable offense.
Armstrong's relationship with Sheryl Crow was revealed in detail in Coyle's 2005 book, Lance Armstrong's War. In the newer tome, a footnote claims that Crow "was subpoenaed weeks before the grand jury probe's closure."
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Bad Climber
climber
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Oct 10, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
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Read Tyler Hamilton's The Secret Race: Inside the Hidden World of the Tour de France
It's a gripping and constantly interesting read--at least for me. Lance still comes across as a dic*, but you have more sympathy for doping in general. For Tyler, certainly, and I guess for most of the riders doing it, it was dope or go home--not something easily done after you've spent half your life getting to that point. Check it out.
BAds
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Oct 11, 2013 - 06:05am PT
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Name someone in that era that was clean. Hell, name ANYONE from the Merkcc era forward that was clean, ans I mean of ANY drug, because amphetamines were in common use for decades in the pro peloton.
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mitchy
Trad climber
new england
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Oct 11, 2013 - 11:30am PT
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Haters gonna hate. Lance Armstrong was railroaded, just because he was kickin' everybody's ass for so long. It's too bad. He was a hell of a cyclist.
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Lloyd Campbell
Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
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Oct 11, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
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Almost anyone would agree that there was (still is, IMO) a problem with doping during the "Lance" era. For that, he probably only deserves extra scrutiny for his doping because he had big $$$$ and that meant he had the best drugs, advice and options for using them. It would be even more scandalous if there was evidence that the UCI itself was complicit (McQuaid is his own version of a**hole) in covering up Lance's doping positives.
Lance isn't getting trashed because everyone's a "hater". He is getting trashed now because he acted like vermin and was a borderline sociopath towards anyone that dared to disagree with his version of the truth. And he deserves it (again, my own opinion). The dude walked away with $100 million that he cheated and lied for...what's not to hate, frankly?
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Oct 11, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
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He's still got one sponsor.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Oct 11, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
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Hehe... Organic Cherry Blossom... for organic dopeheads...
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Nov 22, 2014 - 11:29am PT
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This is a good read.
Clif Bar's Solo Climb;
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2004/12/01/8192527/
" In the late '90s, when few cared who won the Tour de France, Clif Bar had sponsored Lance Armstrong and two dozen other members of the U.S. Postal Service cycling team. But in 2001, when Armstrong came back from cancer to nail his third Tour win, PowerBar offered Armstrong $400,000 a year, 10 times what the team had been getting from Clif. Clif couldn't match it and lost the deal. "
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Nov 22, 2014 - 03:17pm PT
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Lance isn't getting trashed because everyone's a "hater". He is getting trashed now because he acted like vermin and was a borderline sociopath towards anyone that dared to disagree with his version of the truth. And he deserves it (again, my own opinion). The dude walked away with $100 million that he cheated and lied for...what's not to hate, frankly?
Bingo. Had Armstrong been contrite, come clean and taken full responsibility early in this final investigation, things might have gone differently for him in the long run. He's toast, now. I can never see him garnering any public support ever again in any form.
Aside from whiny LeMond, have any of the past TdF winners (pre-Lance) come out and trashed him? I'd imagine that they are fairly guilty of riding dirty, too.
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