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rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 6, 2011 - 10:28pm PT
LEB...What kind of language would you expect from a Hoffa..? Did you condone Sarah " jack -ass Palin's comments , like drill baby drill , take out the dems...Jeffries , lock and reload...?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 6, 2011 - 10:33pm PT
Donald...It's all about politics now...No honor involved...Honor went out in the 70's...just saying..
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 6, 2011 - 10:35pm PT
LEBSTER....The crosshairs on Democratic politicians..How could you forget that controversy..? You still chewing the bark off those fruit trees?
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Sep 6, 2011 - 10:36pm PT
Hey Fart Tad: so you're a stockbroker, eh? No wonder you're so heart-broken about the plight of the "average" citizen. By the way, can you deduct the time you spend on this and your other political threads on Supertopo from your taxes? Careful - the IRS might be watching. Do you ever go out climbing?

And, Donald - us "lefties" reel in horror and confusion whenever you smite us with another picture ripped out out of your colouring book. Make sure keep your crayons inside the lines, though. Has anyone down at the library helped you to locate the word "Fascist" in the dictionary yet?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 6, 2011 - 10:43pm PT
Rush is right!...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 6, 2011 - 10:44pm PT
What will you say, Monsieur Industriel -- what will you say, disciples of good M. F. Chamans, who has calculated with so much precision how much trade would gain by the burning of Paris, from the number of houses it would be necessary to rebuild?

Bastiat, 1850



Krugman is the ultimate Monsieur Industriel or Chamans

By his logic the ultimate stimulus would be a nuclear attack that razed every city and required its rebuilding.

Fools!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 6, 2011 - 10:45pm PT
The republicans have Alec..We have Hoffa...
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 6, 2011 - 11:04pm PT
Donald and Perry...dumb as rocks.

"According to KVUE-TV, the state of Texas, under Gov. Rick Perry, cut state funding for the volunteer fire departments that protect most of the state from wildfires. Firefighters have actually been dipping into their own pockets to fight fires.

Volunteer departments that were already facing financial strain had their funding cut from $30 million to $7 million. There are 879 volunteer fire departments in Texas; 114 are paid fire departments, while 187 departments are a combination of volunteer and paid.

At a press conference Monday, Perry promised to seek federal disaster relief and said that FEMA would be in the state by Wednesday.


So a dead actor....Marlon Brando is Hoffa's boss...what a dumb sh#t.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 6, 2011 - 11:37pm PT
Donald wrote: Mr. Bob D'a : You are without honor

You are without a brain.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 6, 2011 - 11:45pm PT
Texas is going broke.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 6, 2011 - 11:51pm PT
Republicans are driven by irrational fears.

The Anti Fattrad..
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 6, 2011 - 11:55pm PT
No thanks. I'm not really interested in your opinion.

Climbing, fishing, the outdoors, and hot chicks.. sure.

Politics.. meh
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 7, 2011 - 12:11am PT
Uh, Donald, you guys made the mess. Remember?
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 7, 2011 - 12:21am PT
Hey! There's hope for the future! The kids are all right.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/06/08/arkansas-middle-school-includes-george-w-bush-and-dick-cheney-in-top-5-worst-people-of-all-time-list/
Russelville Middle School near Little Rock, Arkansas is taking a lot of heat after listing George W. Bush and Dick Cheney in the top 5 worst people of all time, as #4 and #5, respectively. At the top of the list is Adolf Hitler at #1, Osama bin Laden at #2, and Charles Manson at #3.

After a backlash from Parents and school board members, the list was covered in the yearbooks by a piece of black tape.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 7, 2011 - 12:32am PT
This post by Jingy really should be read.

Here's the thing:
The problem with the right is that their idea of good government is less government; magic of the market place, government keep your hands off, less tax, less spending.
This makes sense if considered individually, and in a vacuum. But in reality it plays out a little differently, or at least differently from my point of view.

Let me start by issuing my definition of "government": Everything from the president on down, including police and fire departments.

They say less government; Government should just go away, and leave it up to people to decide for themselves (again, I like the idea of being able to decide for myself and everything)… The problem is that if government steps out, who will do the job of making the laws? Unless you'd rather have a lawless state. With that comes no courts, and police have very little to do other than shoot people that they feel shoal deb shot, arrest people they fee should be arrested, and jail those they feel need jailing.
Here's an example of how the government getting out of something has cost us all: War!
We used to have "the greatest armed forces" in the world… Now we have military contracting doing plenty of the work that some within the forces did. They told us that contractors could do it better, they told us companies competing for the contracts could do it cheaper. But the fact is contracting is just as wasteful as it was with the military personnel doing the same thing. There are still humans doing the jobs, therefore the efficiencies of the job will not change.
This all leads to more spending, something that the right is opposed to. So by implementing their ideas, it leads to the opposite effect of their ideas.

This is one of the main reasons why I feel the right is just plain ignorant bunch who have a very large buddy system (read old boys network) that ensures that they and their kind (read whites) get paid.

Along with less government the right want less regulation. Here, I have to agree to a certain point. Now I personally don't have any regulator breathing down my neck, so I have no idea how bad it can get, but I have heard stories enough to know that the regulatory system may need some changes; if a guy wants to build an addition onto their home, and they feel they have the expertise, the know how, and funds to do it.. then let them. Its their home, they can do what they want. But even saying that statement reminds me of the story of the ultra-rich feud that happened in some state where one guy built their home up to a two story, and the folks just up the hill from them had their view of the ocean or lake blocked.
I can definitely see how the guy up the hill would want there to be a regulation against building a home to a certain height. But then the guy lower down would not be abel to "do what he wanted" and that's just unAmerican.
Another thing with regulation: Food, water. Do I have to point out that without regulation, these things will turn in to daft unusable items?
One day a mining company opened up a mine up the hill from the Jones's. The mining company promised jobs to the region. Mr. Jones and many of neighbors were employed by the mining company.
Everything was fine, everyone was happy, and everyone prospered.
Until the deposits started leaching into the groundwater, and the Jones's well was contaminated, then their neighbors water, until finally people started getting sick from drinking the water and bathing in it. Eventually people of the town just below the mine that employed most of the town were too sick to work the mines….
It was that way because greedy self interest idiots did not have any care about what they were doing, did not pay any attention to what they were doing, the town and the workers paid the price for a mining company making a profit.

Back in the day, after changing the oil in his car, my father would send me down to the corner where the sewer drain was to pour it out.
We all know know that this is a problem, and if everyone did it the ocean would look much like the waters in the gulf of mexico after BP gets done with it.
Again, because an idiot didn't know any better, and because he was thinking of nothing more than himself the earth paid a price, and regulation was enacted to prevent people from doing the same. I'm sure the right can agree that this is not a bad regulation as it forces us in the now to think about the future and what kind of world we are leaving behind.

In the area of food regulation is a good thing: A guy opens up a hamburger stand that is a great success and soon the guy is opening up franchises all across America. But soon sales become stagnant; People can only eat some much hamburger. So the guy does some research and finds that he can make his order of hamburger last longer by adding some other products to the meat stuff and grinding it all together. Soon, the guy was saving by not adding any hamburger at all.
Do I have to say it? Do you really think if business (who's main goal is to reap a profit) would not do what ever it takes to make a profit? If so, you have much more trust in people than I do, especially when many of them get together to form a corporation to make profit. That's real when things get out of hand, and go to ridiculous lengths to make a profit; Insurance companies not paying out on claims, internet providers not providing internet, cell phones companies not providing service, vending machine not dispensing chosen products….

So again, less regulation means things will be messed up beyond all compare. Less regulation may mean that fish stocks get completely depleted, so that in the future people will say "what's fish?" or "they sure ate a lot of fish back in the day". We might not have any real wildlife left if it weren't for regulations against hunting wild animals. How many bears would there be if any guy with a rifle had one in his trophy room? "Daddy, what is that thing on the California state flag?" "Oh, that's a bear. They're all gone now and we haven't got around to changing the flag yet."

Less regulation is one of the reasons for the latest massive depression.. isn't it? Nobody was paying attention to what the banks were doing, but everybody was super happy that they were reporting super profits… until in the end government was called on to bail the f*#ks out.

Magic of the market place: See note above.

Less Taxes: This should mean that people pay less in income tax, sales tax, and any other tax not mentioned here. Except that without taxation we have nothing: No police, no fire, no ambulance, no army, no navy, no air force and no marines. Oh, but then how are the contracting job creators going to get paid?
Sorry, but as much as I dislike paying taxes, I'd like the consequences of not paying taxes much less; every day living in fear of my fellow man, wild west style.

Less Spending: Really, this only counts when human beings are involved, because we know what it means when people (read corporations) are involved. That's when money is no object and spending is without limits. Any social program must give way to spending on the policing of the very same people the social program was assisting because after all…. they may turn to crime in order to survive.
More social spending and education, less spending on prisons, policing, and corporate profits.


These are just a few of the big picture items that I find incredibly ignorant with the right. I cannot see how some would say no to helping out other human beings, while paying form a war that was started for fraudulent reasons against the unending threat of terror.
apogee

climber
Sep 7, 2011 - 12:44am PT
"...who were in elementary school during the Bush years. Elementary School"

John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 7, 2011 - 12:48am PT
As if you have anything useful to say.
apogee

climber
Sep 7, 2011 - 12:52am PT
Hey, DT- howzabout sharing your views of how best to get this country out of the gutter is has been in for the last 4 years? Instead of a regular stream of natty Repug bytes, a few original, articulate thoughts would be interesting.

Got any? Are you capable of such things?
apogee

climber
Sep 7, 2011 - 12:54am PT
Yeah....didn't think so. You aren't much more intriguing than the 13 year old boy on the corner who is waving a crumpled, sticky picture you tore from a porn magazine you found in a dumpster.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 7, 2011 - 12:59am PT
Or Joe the plumber.


hee hee.. isn't this fun!
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