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apogee
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Positive POTUS Accomplishments that reasonable R's & D's can agree on
Bush II vs. Obama
Bush II
*Increased maximum IRA investment levels
*Created that humongous ocean preserve
Obama
*Drawing down Iraq (too slowly, though)
*Got OBL
*Libya (stay tuned)
*DADT
*Auto industry
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bookworm
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solyndra--solar power firm touted by barry as the future--goes bankrupt just 15 months later (the third solar energy firm to file this year) despite over $500 MILLION in fed loans...why?
"Solyndra suspended operations Wednesday and will soon file for chapter 11 bankruptcy and lay off its 1,100 employees. The company cited “regulatory and policy uncertainties in recent months” as the cause of its financial hardships, which have “created significant near-term excess supply and price erosion,” according to the company’s CEO."
let me repeat: "REGULATORY AND POLICY UNCERTAINTIES" (that means government intervention) that have "CREATED SIGNIFICANT NEAR-TERM EXCESS SUPPLY AND PRICE EROSION" (as they ALWAYS do)
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Norton
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the Wastelands
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dirtbag
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Unbelievable hypocrisy, they clap when a solar company has to file for bankruptcy, and cry when the free market has to be really free, free from Gov. subsidies to the Saudis and other Multi National Companies
Yep!
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Jingy
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Somewhere out there
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^^^^^^ Edit: I'll second what Norton and Dr. F said!!! ^^^^^^^
Has anyone ever heard of this?
http://alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed
"Through the corporate-funded American Legislative Exchange Council, global corporations and state politicians vote behind closed doors to try to rewrite state laws that govern your rights. These so-called "model bills" reach into almost every area of American life and often directly benefit huge corporations. Through ALEC, corporations have "a VOICE and a VOTE" on specific changes to the law that are then proposed in your state. DO YOU?"
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Jorroh
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Cmon, Jingy. All that stuff about corporations is just conspiracy theory nonsense, just ask Eleazarian.
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Jingy
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Somewhere out there
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Do these guys really represent you republicans (and democrats):
ALEC Alumni in Congress include[1][2]:
* Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY)
* Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
* Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK)
* Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV)
* Sen. Jerry Moran (R-KS)
* Sen. Jim Risch (R-ID)
* Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)
* Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL)
* Sen. Roger Wicker (R-MS)
* Rep. John Boehner (R-OH)
* Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
* Rep. Sandy Adams (R-FL)
* Rep. Rodney Alexander (R-LA)
* Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI)
* Rep. Steve Austria (R-OH)
* Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-AL)
* Rep. Rick Berg (R-ND)
* Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-WA)
* Rep. Diane Black (R-TN)
* Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN)
* Rep. Dan Boren (D-OK)
* Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-IA)
* Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX)
* Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN)
* Rep. David Camp (R-MI)
* Rep. John Campbell (R-CA)
* Rep. Howard Coble (R-NC)
* Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK)
* Rep. John Culberson (R-TX)
* Rep. Jeff Denham (R-CA)
* Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA)
* Rep. Mario Diaz Balart (R-FL)
* Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC)
* Rep. Michael G. Fitzpatrick (R-PA)
* Rep. John Randy Forbes (R-VA)
* Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-NJ)
* Rep. Cory Gardner (R-CO)
* Rep. Scott Garrett (R-NJ)
* Rep. James Gerlach (R-PA)
* Rep. Bob Gibbs (R-OH)
* Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA)
* Rep. Sam Graves (R-MO)
* Rep. Tom Graves (R-GA)
* Rep. Morgan Griffith (R-VA)
* Rep. Brett Guthrie (R-KY)
* Rep. Andy Harris (R-MD)
* Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R-MO)
* Rep. Richard Norman "Doc" Hastings (R-WA)
* Rep. Bill Huizenga (R-MI)
* Rep. Lynn Jenkins (R-KS)
* Rep. Sam Johnson (R-TX)
* Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC)
* Rep. James "Jim" Jordan (R-OH)
* Rep. Steve King (R-IA)
* Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA)
* Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID)
* Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-CO)
* Rep. Robert Latta (R-OH)
* Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA)
* Rep. Frank LoBiondo (R-NJ)
* Rep. Frank Lucas (R-OK)
* Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer (R-MO)
* Rep. Kenny Marchant (R-TX)
* Rep. Thomas McClintock (R-CA)
* Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA)
* Rep. John Mica (R-FL)
* Rep. Jeff Miller (R-FL)
* Rep. Kristi Noem (R-SD)
* Rep. Alan Nunnelee (R-MS)
* Rep. Steven Palazzo (R-MS)
* Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-MN)
* Rep. Ed Perlmutter (D-CO)
* Rep. Joseph Pitts (R-PA)
* Rep. Todd Platts (R-PA)
* Rep. Bill Posey (R-FL)
* Rep. Thomas Price (R-GA)
* Rep. David Rivera (R-FL)
* Rep. Mike D. Rogers (R-AL)
* Rep. Mike J. Rogers (R-MI)
* Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL)
* Rep. Dennis Ross (R-FL)
* Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA)
* Rep. Edward Royce (R-CA)
* Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH)
* Rep. Kurt Schrader (D-OR)
* Rep. David Schweikert (R-AZ)
* Rep. Austin Scott (R-GA)
* Rep. Tim Scott (R-SC)
* Rep. Michael Simpson (R-ID)
* Rep. Adrian Smith (R-NE)
* Rep. Steve Southerland (R-FL)
* Rep. Steve Stivers (R-OH)
* Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-IN)
* Rep. John Sullivan (R-OK)
* Rep. Pat Tiberi (R-OH)
* Rep. Scott Tipton (R-CO)
* Rep. Daniel Webster (R-FL)
* Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-GA)
* Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC)
* Rep. Kevin Yoder (R-KS)
* Rep. Don Young (R-AK)
See for yourself:
http://www.alec.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&Template=/Templates/TemplateHomepage/ALEC_1502_20070319T102535_LayoutHomePage.cfm
They are out in the open about everything they do...
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Jingy
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Somewhere out there
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no skipt... that pretty much is in the lap of Buche and the republican party as a whole....
P.S. Note the dems that are on the list as well... I call them out too!
Meanwhile, you walk lock-step with your publicant friends all the way into fascism.
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apogee
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"Senator Barkley and I will win this election and make those Republicans like it… We will do that because they are wrong and we are right… [T]he people know the Democratic Party is the people’s party, and the Republican Party is the party of special interests and it always has been and always will be… The Republican Party… favors the privileged few and not the common, every-day man. Ever since its inception that Party has been under the control of special privilege, and they concretely proved it in the 80th Congress. They proved it by the things they did to the people and not for them. They proved it by the things they failed to do."
Truman’s acceptance speech at the Philadelphia convention that nominated him prior to the 1948 election
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apogee
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dem·o·crat
[dem-uh-krat]
noun
1. an advocate of democracy.
2. a person who believes in the political or social equality of all people.
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apogee
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"social equality of all people."
Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure that Jesus taught something very similar.
How in the hell did the Republicans manage to corrupt this wonderful premise to their selfish advantage?
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Norton
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the Wastelands
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^^^
what a dumb fuk
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Bob D'A
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Taos, NM
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fat wrote: Yes, in his final hours, Obama is learning something and abandoning job killing measures.
What a dumb fuk is right...
**The hemorrhaging of American jobs accelerated at a record pace at the end of 2008, bringing the year's total job losses to 2.6 million or the highest level in more than six decades.
A sobering U.S. Labor Department jobs report Friday showed the economy lost 524,000 jobs in December and 1.9 million in the year's final four months, after the credit crisis began in September.**
We know who killed jobs in America is the last four years and it isn't Obama.
Dumb f*#k republicans thinking/hoping that Americans will just forget how really bad they are.
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Jingy
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Somewhere out there
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Here's the thing:
The problem with the right is that their idea of good government is less government; magic of the market place, government keep your hands off, less tax, less spending.
This makes sense if considered individually, and in a vacuum. But in reality it plays out a little differently, or at least differently from my point of view.
Let me start by issuing my definition of "government": Everything from the president on down, including police and fire departments.
They say less government; Government should just go away, and leave it up to people to decide for themselves (again, I like the idea of being able to decide for myself and everything)… The problem is that if government steps out, who will do the job of making the laws? Unless you'd rather have a lawless state. With that comes no courts, and police have very little to do other than shoot people that they feel shoal deb shot, arrest people they fee should be arrested, and jail those they feel need jailing.
Here's an example of how the government getting out of something has cost us all: War!
We used to have "the greatest armed forces" in the world… Now we have military contracting doing plenty of the work that some within the forces did. They told us that contractors could do it better, they told us companies competing for the contracts could do it cheaper. But the fact is contracting is just as wasteful as it was with the military personnel doing the same thing. There are still humans doing the jobs, therefore the efficiencies of the job will not change.
This all leads to more spending, something that the right is opposed to. So by implementing their ideas, it leads to the opposite effect of their ideas.
This is one of the main reasons why I feel the right is just plain ignorant bunch who have a very large buddy system (read old boys network) that ensures that they and their kind (read whites) get paid.
Along with less government the right want less regulation. Here, I have to agree to a certain point. Now I personally don't have any regulator breathing down my neck, so I have no idea how bad it can get, but I have heard stories enough to know that the regulatory system may need some changes; if a guy wants to build an addition onto their home, and they feel they have the expertise, the know how, and funds to do it.. then let them. Its their home, they can do what they want. But even saying that statement reminds me of the story of the ultra-rich feud that happened in some state where one guy built their home up to a two story, and the folks just up the hill from them had their view of the ocean or lake blocked.
I can definitely see how the guy up the hill would want there to be a regulation against building a home to a certain height. But then the guy lower down would not be abel to "do what he wanted" and that's just unAmerican.
Another thing with regulation: Food, water. Do I have to point out that without regulation, these things will turn in to daft unusable items?
One day a mining company opened up a mine up the hill from the Jones's. The mining company promised jobs to the region. Mr. Jones and many of neighbors were employed by the mining company.
Everything was fine, everyone was happy, and everyone prospered.
Until the deposits started leaching into the groundwater, and the Jones's well was contaminated, then their neighbors water, until finally people started getting sick from drinking the water and bathing in it. Eventually people of the town just below the mine that employed most of the town were too sick to work the mines….
It was that way because greedy self interest idiots did not have any care about what they were doing, did not pay any attention to what they were doing, the town and the workers paid the price for a mining company making a profit.
Back in the day, after changing the oil in his car, my father would send me down to the corner where the sewer drain was to pour it out.
We all know know that this is a problem, and if everyone did it the ocean would look much like the waters in the gulf of mexico after BP gets done with it.
Again, because an idiot didn't know any better, and because he was thinking of nothing more than himself the earth paid a price, and regulation was enacted to prevent people from doing the same. I'm sure the right can agree that this is not a bad regulation as it forces us in the now to think about the future and what kind of world we are leaving behind.
In the area of food regulation is a good thing: A guy opens up a hamburger stand that is a great success and soon the guy is opening up franchises all across America. But soon sales become stagnant; People can only eat some much hamburger. So the guy does some research and finds that he can make his order of hamburger last longer by adding some other products to the meat stuff and grinding it all together. Soon, the guy was saving by not adding any hamburger at all.
Do I have to say it? Do you really think if business (who's main goal is to reap a profit) would not do what ever it takes to make a profit? If so, you have much more trust in people than I do, especially when many of them get together to form a corporation to make profit. That's real when things get out of hand, and go to ridiculous lengths to make a profit; Insurance companies not paying out on claims, internet providers not providing internet, cell phones companies not providing service, vending machine not dispensing chosen products….
So again, less regulation means things will be messed up beyond all compare. Less regulation may mean that fish stocks get completely depleted, so that in the future people will say "what's fish?" or "they sure ate a lot of fish back in the day". We might not have any real wildlife left if it weren't for regulations against hunting wild animals. How many bears would there be if any guy with a rifle had one in his trophy room? "Daddy, what is that thing on the California state flag?" "Oh, that's a bear. They're all gone now and we haven't got around to changing the flag yet."
Less regulation is one of the reasons for the latest massive depression.. isn't it? Nobody was paying attention to what the banks were doing, but everybody was super happy that they were reporting super profits… until in the end government was called on to bail the f*#ks out.
Magic of the market place: See note above.
Less Taxes: This should mean that people pay less in income tax, sales tax, and any other tax not mentioned here. Except that without taxation we have nothing: No police, no fire, no ambulance, no army, no navy, no air force and no marines. Oh, but then how are the contracting job creators going to get paid?
Sorry, but as much as I dislike paying taxes, I'd like the consequences of not paying taxes much less; every day living in fear of my fellow man, wild west style.
Less Spending: Really, this only counts when human beings are involved, because we know what it means when people (read corporations) are involved. That's when money is no object and spending is without limits. Any social program must give way to spending on the policing of the very same people the social program was assisting because after all…. they may turn to crime in order to survive.
More social spending and education, less spending on prisons, policing, and corporate profits.
These are just a few of the big picture items that I find incredibly ignorant with the right. I cannot see how some would say no to helping out other human beings, while paying form a war that was started for fraudulent reasons against the unending threat of terror.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Good thing we have the job-creating tax cuts working for us.
Otherwise, we'd likely have 110% unemployment!
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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^^^Agreed^^^
Seeing how I myself am mildly retarded, I can safely say, since it takes one to know one... fattrad is indeed full blown tarded
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apogee
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fattrad is definitely not retarded.
Ideologically blind and deaf, absolutely. Are his politics oriented around his own self interests? No doubt.
I'm sure he can count to potato.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Thanks, Gary - great choice, especially the full version. Amazingly enough, I've got that tune as part of a four disk set of his music from Smithsonian Folkways Recordings. Those guys were the REAL thing when it came to U.S. patriotism & I identify with them strongly because of their love for (and dedication to) the true meaning of Democracy in the U.S and elsewhere.
I wonder how many of these Fascists are aware the the word Democracy comes from the Greek root "demos", translating to rule of the people (shades of the U.S. Constitution), or that Plutocracy originates from the Greek "ploutos", and means rule by the wealthy?
I sincerely wish you all the best for the future of your nation, and be assured that your opponents would be viewed with disgust or, at kindest, pity by decent people of any mainstream political inclination in any other country on this planet.
What these lizards don't seem to understand - or worse yet - DO understand is that there is absolutely no correlation between Democracy and their drooling support for the rights of billionaires. Billionaires can clearly look after themselves just fine - it's the average U.S. citizen who is suffering from their inexcusable greed.
No intelligent and fair-minded human being can possibly deny the fact that the erosion of the standard of living of the average U.S. citizen began when Reagan and his thugs started shipping U.S. jobs overseas, and this abomination continues to the present day to the benefit of nobody but the wealthy.
Economic rebuttals by Fascists are meaningless. Any honest academician will agree that Economics is not an exact science. As a matter of fact, it was John Galbraith (Nobel Laureate for Economics) who stated, "The reason for the existence of the science of Economics is to make the study of Astrology seem respectable by comparison." I don't have the exact wording of this quote at hand, but it is easily locatable.
Keep the faith.
P.S.: Just to occupy my thoughts one evening, I went on a mental greed-fest while falling asleep & tried to spend a billion dollars on myself. I started with 5 Rolls Royces (10 million) - five because four might need washing when I wanted to go out and spit on the peasants, 10 million for a house, etc. I spent money on things I wouldn't even particularly want and kept going, spending this fantasy money as greedily as I could and I was unable come up with ways to spend more than 480 million. The irony is that if I actually had the power to do so, I would have created piles of jobs just by putting that money back into circulation.
But then I wouldn't be a billionaire any more.
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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This is such a good post by Jingy.. Real nice.
Here's the thing:
The problem with the right is that their idea of good government is less government; magic of the market place, government keep your hands off, less tax, less spending.
This makes sense if considered individually, and in a vacuum. But in reality it plays out a little differently, or at least differently from my point of view.
Let me start by issuing my definition of "government": Everything from the president on down, including police and fire departments.
They say less government; Government should just go away, and leave it up to people to decide for themselves (again, I like the idea of being able to decide for myself and everything)… The problem is that if government steps out, who will do the job of making the laws? Unless you'd rather have a lawless state. With that comes no courts, and police have very little to do other than shoot people that they feel shoal deb shot, arrest people they fee should be arrested, and jail those they feel need jailing.
Here's an example of how the government getting out of something has cost us all: War!
We used to have "the greatest armed forces" in the world… Now we have military contracting doing plenty of the work that some within the forces did. They told us that contractors could do it better, they told us companies competing for the contracts could do it cheaper. But the fact is contracting is just as wasteful as it was with the military personnel doing the same thing. There are still humans doing the jobs, therefore the efficiencies of the job will not change.
This all leads to more spending, something that the right is opposed to. So by implementing their ideas, it leads to the opposite effect of their ideas.
This is one of the main reasons why I feel the right is just plain ignorant bunch who have a very large buddy system (read old boys network) that ensures that they and their kind (read whites) get paid.
Along with less government the right want less regulation. Here, I have to agree to a certain point. Now I personally don't have any regulator breathing down my neck, so I have no idea how bad it can get, but I have heard stories enough to know that the regulatory system may need some changes; if a guy wants to build an addition onto their home, and they feel they have the expertise, the know how, and funds to do it.. then let them. Its their home, they can do what they want. But even saying that statement reminds me of the story of the ultra-rich feud that happened in some state where one guy built their home up to a two story, and the folks just up the hill from them had their view of the ocean or lake blocked.
I can definitely see how the guy up the hill would want there to be a regulation against building a home to a certain height. But then the guy lower down would not be abel to "do what he wanted" and that's just unAmerican.
Another thing with regulation: Food, water. Do I have to point out that without regulation, these things will turn in to daft unusable items?
One day a mining company opened up a mine up the hill from the Jones's. The mining company promised jobs to the region. Mr. Jones and many of neighbors were employed by the mining company.
Everything was fine, everyone was happy, and everyone prospered.
Until the deposits started leaching into the groundwater, and the Jones's well was contaminated, then their neighbors water, until finally people started getting sick from drinking the water and bathing in it. Eventually people of the town just below the mine that employed most of the town were too sick to work the mines….
It was that way because greedy self interest idiots did not have any care about what they were doing, did not pay any attention to what they were doing, the town and the workers paid the price for a mining company making a profit.
Back in the day, after changing the oil in his car, my father would send me down to the corner where the sewer drain was to pour it out.
We all know know that this is a problem, and if everyone did it the ocean would look much like the waters in the gulf of mexico after BP gets done with it.
Again, because an idiot didn't know any better, and because he was thinking of nothing more than himself the earth paid a price, and regulation was enacted to prevent people from doing the same. I'm sure the right can agree that this is not a bad regulation as it forces us in the now to think about the future and what kind of world we are leaving behind.
In the area of food regulation is a good thing: A guy opens up a hamburger stand that is a great success and soon the guy is opening up franchises all across America. But soon sales become stagnant; People can only eat some much hamburger. So the guy does some research and finds that he can make his order of hamburger last longer by adding some other products to the meat stuff and grinding it all together. Soon, the guy was saving by not adding any hamburger at all.
Do I have to say it? Do you really think if business (who's main goal is to reap a profit) would not do what ever it takes to make a profit? If so, you have much more trust in people than I do, especially when many of them get together to form a corporation to make profit. That's real when things get out of hand, and go to ridiculous lengths to make a profit; Insurance companies not paying out on claims, internet providers not providing internet, cell phones companies not providing service, vending machine not dispensing chosen products….
So again, less regulation means things will be messed up beyond all compare. Less regulation may mean that fish stocks get completely depleted, so that in the future people will say "what's fish?" or "they sure ate a lot of fish back in the day". We might not have any real wildlife left if it weren't for regulations against hunting wild animals. How many bears would there be if any guy with a rifle had one in his trophy room? "Daddy, what is that thing on the California state flag?" "Oh, that's a bear. They're all gone now and we haven't got around to changing the flag yet."
Less regulation is one of the reasons for the latest massive depression.. isn't it? Nobody was paying attention to what the banks were doing, but everybody was super happy that they were reporting super profits… until in the end government was called on to bail the f*#ks out.
Magic of the market place: See note above.
Less Taxes: This should mean that people pay less in income tax, sales tax, and any other tax not mentioned here. Except that without taxation we have nothing: No police, no fire, no ambulance, no army, no navy, no air force and no marines. Oh, but then how are the contracting job creators going to get paid?
Sorry, but as much as I dislike paying taxes, I'd like the consequences of not paying taxes much less; every day living in fear of my fellow man, wild west style.
Less Spending: Really, this only counts when human beings are involved, because we know what it means when people (read corporations) are involved. That's when money is no object and spending is without limits. Any social program must give way to spending on the policing of the very same people the social program was assisting because after all…. they may turn to crime in order to survive.
More social spending and education, less spending on prisons, policing, and corporate profits.
These are just a few of the big picture items that I find incredibly ignorant with the right. I cannot see how some would say no to helping out other human beings, while paying form a war that was started for fraudulent reasons against the unending threat of terror.
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