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August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Mar 13, 2019 - 09:47pm PT
If the following story is basically true, and Bloomberg is a pretty mainstream outlet that I think would be pretty careful with their fact checking, Musk is a horrible human being. There should be criminal laws against trying to maliciously destroy someone's reputation with lies like this.

From the guy who baselessly accusing a British cave diver on Twitter of pedophilia, he now tries to destroy a former worker for whistle blowing.

People, this is one reason, among many, that CEO celebratory cult worship is bad...



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon-musk-tried-to-destroy-tesla-whistleblower-martin-tripp?srnd=premium

When Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower


It started with a Twitter meltdown and ended with a fake mass shooter. A former security manager says the company also spied and spread misinformation.

By the larger-than-life standards of Elon Musk, the story was far from a blockbuster. On June 4, 2018, Business Insider reported that Tesla Inc. was scrapping or reworking 40 percent of the raw materials at the Gigafactory, its huge battery plant in the Nevada desert. The article cited a source who figured the inefficiency had cost Musk’s electric car company $150 million, describing giant piles of scrap materials in the factory. Tesla denied the report, and a few hours later, the world moved on.

The world, that is, except Elon Musk. Although he wasn’t asked about the Business Insider story the following day at the company’s annual meeting, he stewed for weeks, dispatching a team of investigators to try to figure out who’d shared the information with the press.

The leaker, they determined, was one Martin Tripp, a slight man of 40 who’d spent his career in a series of low-level manufacturing jobs before finding his way to the assembly line at the Gigafactory. Tripp later claimed to be an idealist trying to get Tesla to tighten its operations; Musk saw him as a dangerous foe who engaged in “extensive and damaging sabotage,” as he wrote in a staff memo. He implied that Tripp had shared the data not only with the press but also with “unknown third parties.”

Could larger forces be at work? Musk wondered out loud. Could Tripp be coordinating with one of Tesla’s many enemies—oil companies, rival automakers, or Wall Street short sellers? “There are a long list of organizations that want Tesla to die,” he warned.


On June 4, 2018, Business Insider reported that Tesla Inc. was scrapping or reworking 40 percent of the raw materials at the Gigafactory, its huge battery plant in the Nevada desert. The article cited a source who figured the inefficiency had cost Musk’s electric car company $150 million, describing giant piles of scrap materials in the factory. Tesla denied the report, and a few hours later, the world moved on.

The world, that is, except Elon Musk. Although he wasn’t asked about the Business Insider story the following day at the company’s annual meeting, he stewed for weeks, dispatching a team of investigators to try to figure out who’d shared the information with the press.

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Tripp later claimed to be an idealist trying to get Tesla to tighten its operations; Musk saw him as a dangerous foe who engaged in “extensive and damaging sabotage,” as he wrote in a staff memo. He implied that Tripp had shared the data not only with the press but also with “unknown third parties.”

Could larger forces be at work? Musk wondered out loud. Could Tripp be coordinating with one of Tesla’s many enemies—oil companies, rival automakers, or Wall Street short sellers? “There are a long list of organizations that want Tesla to die,” he warned.

On June 20, the company sued Tripp for $167 million. Later that day, Tripp heard from the sheriff’s department in Storey County, Nev. Tesla’s security department had passed a tip to police. An anonymous caller had contacted the company to say Tripp was planning a mass shooting at the Gigafactory.

When the police confronted Tripp that evening, he was unarmed and in tears. He said he was terrified of Musk and suggested the billionaire might have called in the tip himself. A sheriff’s deputy attempted to cheer up Tripp and then called Tesla to tell the company that the threat, whoever had made it, was bogus. Tripp wasn’t dangerous.

Many chief executive officers would try to ignore somebody like Tripp. Instead, as accounts from police, former employees, and documents produced by Tesla’s own internal investigation reveal, Musk set out to destroy him.

Tesla’s PR department spread rumors that Tripp was possibly homicidal and had been part of a grand conspiracy. On Twitter, Musk suggested the Business Insider reporter, Linette Lopez, was on the payroll of short sellers and claimed Tripp had admitted to taking bribes from her in exchange for “v0aluable Tesla IP.” Lopez denied the allegation.

The security manager at the Gigafactory, an ex-military guy with a high-and-tight haircut named Sean Gouthro, has filed a whistleblower report with the SEC. Gouthro says Tesla’s security operation behaved unethically in its zeal to nail the leaker. Investigators, he claims, hacked into Tripp’s phone, had him followed, and misled police about the surveillance. Gouthro says that Tripp didn’t sabotage Tesla or hack anything and that Musk knew this and sought to damage his reputation by spreading misinformation.


The following day, news of the lawsuit hit the internet. Tripp Googled himself and saw a story titled, “Martin Tripp: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know,” which said he lived in a rental apartment in nearby Sparks, Nev. Panicked about who might come find him, he sent an email to Musk. “You have what’s coming to you for the lies you have told to the public and investors,” he wrote.

His former boss, of course, engaged him with gusto. “Threatening me only makes it worse for you,” Musk replied. Later, he wrote: “You should be ashamed of yourself for framing other people. You’re a horrible human being.”


So Musk says he has been framed and calls him a horrible human being.

And some people want this guy for president? Trump II.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Mar 14, 2019 - 08:19am PT
I wonder what evidence Martin Tripp got on Tesla issues.
If he was able to get hard evidence, wouldn't a pack of lawyers jump on Musk by now?
Tripp is running gofundme for legal coverage, but is far from target.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Mar 14, 2019 - 08:48am PT
And some people want this guy for president? Trump II.

I hadn't heard that.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Mar 14, 2019 - 12:17pm PT
A day earlier than scheduled from the tweet last year, tonight is the Y unveiling.
monolith

climber
state of being
Mar 14, 2019 - 08:24pm PT
Live model Y unveil.


[Click to View YouTube Video]
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 15, 2019 - 08:26am PT
The market is non-plussed by the Model Why? - TSLA down 3.7%
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Mar 15, 2019 - 08:37am PT
Apparently, Twitter suspended Martin Tripp's account back in 2018...interesting.
https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/15/martin-tripp-tesla-tweets/

Does he have any social media now?
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Mar 15, 2019 - 08:53am PT
MotoE fire in Jerez destroyed all MotoE motorcycles.

"The Batteries don't warn you when they explode, so you have no time to react."

"I think that electric motorcycles are much more dangerous than those we are used to seeing on the track"

"I dare not imagine what would have happened if that fire had started during a traditional race weekend with workers and many fans present in the paddock."
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 15, 2019 - 09:15am PT
A gallon of gasoline vapor in the right ratio of oxygen has the explosive power of around 6 sticks of dynamite...

Anything that stores enough energy to move something heavy for great distances is going to be potentially very dangerous.

I know I've seen a lot of people burned to death in various gasoline inspired auto fires. It just doesnt make the news as much....
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Mar 15, 2019 - 09:17am PT
Seems like Twitter issued a temporary suspension first, for sharing internal Tesla emails, and then Tripp took down his account upon his attorney's advice.

He did file counter-suit here's the filing text, with details of what he observed at the factory:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/31/17636928/tesla-whistleblower-martin-tripp-countersuit-elon-musk-twitter

The former Tesla employee is seeking $1 million plus punitive damages.
Frankly, if he got stuff on them, small amount sought is surprising.

Trip doesn't sound like the kind of person who'd have the skills to hack into Tesla systems and have software run on coworkers' computers to keep sabotaging it even after he's gone (what they allege)...unless he's working for someone who provided instructions and software. If he had those skills: he wouldn't work in the capacity in which he did at Tesla.
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Mar 15, 2019 - 02:49pm PT
Model Y or Model Yawn?
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Mar 15, 2019 - 03:32pm PT
Elon didn’t reveal the modelY last night so much as say goodbye, here’s my legacy that I hope you all will remember me by.





Interesting...
Model Y or Model Yawn?

Let's compare apples to apples...

Y vs Jag or Audi.... Y has more range(300 vs 200mi), quicker(3.5s 0-60 vs 4.5s), cheaper, and has more and faster charging options (1000mi/hr vs 168mi/hr) by far.


So everything but subjective things like design or interface, the Y blows the competition away.

What about that makes you yawn? Have you driven one? Defin. no yawning taking place. Such a weird comment - some folks are so ignorant/uneducated.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Mar 16, 2019 - 08:20am PT
The story of Martin Tripp is just bizarre...
The guy goes whistleblowing after being with Tesla for only several months. He has a dog, a wife, and a child while clearly is not the type that already got FU money stashed: profile of a person who'd normally be less inclined to go to town on their employer (more dependent)....and normally would take a lot more time (longer time of experiencing employer's abuse) to get angry enough to blow a whistle with media involved, all bridges burned and all.

Musk claimed that he modified MOS code (MOS is their production tracking system which probably can be accessed by users of Tripp's level via web interface only). If he somehow was able to get access to actual code (and he's production line employee not software developer) , to change it, and reinstall the image on the servers without more than one person being able to detect and block that...means ridiculously low levels of security used with Tesla systems. (based on something like this alone I wouldn't want their heavily computerized car) But hard to imagine that the guy with Tripp's background would be able to change the system on his own even if access was somehow wide-open. The worst I'd guess he could come up with is to install a daemon (outside MOS) running database queries and emailing/ftp the results to outside location - but Musk claimed something a lot heavier.

Unless Tripp was really hired by Tesla's competitor to sabotage (not likely)....I'd say he was clearly framed by Tesla. They'd probably cooked-up some computer intrusion under his username while he was still there. If he really intruded I'd imagine there'd have been a criminal case opened against him by now, such stuff is a serious crime...but no case.
When blowing a whistle I think it's important to exit the company and return any equipment to them first, and cut off any contact with them from that point. Internal complaints only make you a target.

In Tesla's suit they claim that Tripp confessed to their/Tesla internal investigators that he hacked their system...yeah right, like someone smart enough to hack it would confess to something like this or would even talk to their "investigators" at all. If Tripp was working for a competitor....it'd be "his lawyers" talking all the way, to "Tesla investigators" or HR, handing out cease and desist instructions... Another red flag...I have trouble believing Tesla here.
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Mar 18, 2019 - 03:35pm PT
What about that makes you yawn? Have you driven one? Defin. no yawning taking place. Such a weird comment - some folks are so ignorant/uneducated.

It is a slightly bigger Model 3, big deal. The third row is a joke. No adult is going to sit in the third row, nor would I want to put a child there for fear of the consequences of a rear end collision.

It is going to cannibalize sales from the Model 3, which Tesla desperately needs at this point.

It won't be available until the end of 2020 which in Tesla time means 2021. Heck, they don't even know where they are going to build it yet.

Elon even treated it as an afterthought. He rambled for 30 minutes and then spent the last few minutes on the Model Y.

This was more of a publicity stunt to try to keep the stock price up and to raise some cash by letting suckers give Tesla $2,500 for a few years.

The market reacted to Tesla's big announcement by continuing its sell off.

So yes, Model Y is a bit of a Model Yawn.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 18, 2019 - 03:44pm PT
Tripp looks and acts like a tweaker to me..... But regardless working for soneone like Musk is never going to be a pleasant experience.

Still I hope Tesla survives (without using money stolen from me). Innovation is good even though the first attempts generally don't succeed.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 18, 2019 - 03:45pm PT
some folks are so ignorant/uneducated.

I know, huh?
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Mar 19, 2019 - 08:38am PT
Tweaker? Not catching the tweaker vibe from him. More like a chain smoker.
Some people are naturally very skinny and they get profiled as tweakers in the US for no reason, just because the average person is overweight. Musk looks like a coke user to me...might be the explanation for all the mood swings.
If Tripp has real claims, then, suppression/intimidation of a whistleblower should be enough to never buy their car for safety reasons alone (look at recent Boeing situation). These lawsuits take long time to resolve/will take a while to know the truth (and if they intimidate him into a settlement - then truth will never be known) - but no criminal (sabotage/espionage) case being opened against Tripp is a red flag for me.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Mar 19, 2019 - 10:55am PT
When someone faces an internet barrage, they typically have little recourse.

Even if he proves that Musk/Tesla deliberately lied, it's unlikely he will win a suit against them. And it is easy to drop a few hints and let the internet trolls/cult followers take over. John Oliver's Last week tonight had a good segment on this on his most recent episode.

I don't know anything more about this than what was in the Bloomberg article, but whatever Tripp did or didn't do it seems to me that Musk set out to punish him with lies and innuendo for raising questions Musk didn't want raised.

And I would say that Musk succeeded in that goal.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 23, 2019 - 12:18pm PT
Maybe Elon hasn’t heard that AOC is gonna do away with airlines after she bans meat and cars?
Elon might wanna reconsider further investment in Buck Rodgers Inc.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Apr 1, 2019 - 11:16pm PT
How much for a round trip San Francisco - Warsaw?

Moose


The cost will be around 50 times as much CO2 as an economy seat trip would produce. But I don't suppose Musk supporters care about that.
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