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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 18, 2013 - 12:16am PT
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Yeah - he's minimizing what he did.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 18, 2013 - 12:28am PT
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The only thing really bothering me about all this ...
The Cheif was right.
well one other thing.
The people who's lives he tried and basically succeeded in destroying for telling the truth.
I hope they bleed him dry and get rich doing so.
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Lloyd Campbell
Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
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Jan 18, 2013 - 07:11am PT
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Would have been a lot more convincing if the interview would have started with a big fat apology to all the people he called liars, drove out of cycling, and financially wrecked trying to keep his secrets under wraps.
What a train wreck.
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apinguat
Trad climber
kingfield, me
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Jan 18, 2013 - 08:18am PT
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The only thing really bothering me about all this ...
The Cheif was right.
That doesn't bother me I can't figure out his vendetta? Not that there isn't good reason for such an arse he was to other people but anyone who followed cycling those years, knew or should have known they were all on drugs.
Other thing.
The people who's lives he tried and basically succeeded in destroying for telling the truth.
Exactly.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 18, 2013 - 08:25am PT
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Yeah Bruce, it's true. My oldest Brother got this generation.
Is that why you're a rebel and a pirate? HA!!!
Guys usually go all in for the family trad or fight it.
I've got a buddy I went to survival instructor school with who followed in dad's footsteps. Man, what a dick sometimes! It's all good though, he goes to Drill Instructors Anonymous now.....
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JohnnyG
climber
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Jan 18, 2013 - 09:05am PT
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"listen, I called you crazy, I called you a bitch. I called you all these things, but I never called you fat"
Holy mo, that was surreal.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 18, 2013 - 10:49am PT
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Those of you say that his doping hurt nobody but him...
Let's, just forget about a moment the wealthy endorsements he got.
Let's think about the victims, yes victims, of his lies and deceit.
The people's whose reputations he destroyed. Emma O'Reilly, just as starters.
There apparently are still some Armstrong supporters on this forum.
The dude is rich and has gone out of his way to destroy people's lives, and some of you think he is "okay". Where did your get your values from? The gutter?
And this little story with Oprah will just get him more mileage. Sickening.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Jan 18, 2013 - 10:51am PT
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Well point blank he admits it.
If you can believe him.
Maybe he's lying
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 18, 2013 - 10:54am PT
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Dehli Dog, it was a PR job, get it?
His advisors told him, come clean and you will clean up.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Jan 18, 2013 - 10:55am PT
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wonder how much he got...
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 18, 2013 - 11:03am PT
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He will get off scot free, but the people he has slandered and libeled, and the monies he has received from endorsements, will have a fight on their hands, and Armstrong will still clean up.
I don't know if should be surprised, amazed or befuddled at the Armstrong supporters on this form.
He won't be paying for your mortgage, healthcare or climbing gear.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jan 18, 2013 - 11:19am PT
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Wetzel is great and he's spot on with this.
Lance will never repair the damage he's done. What I hope though is that he goes under oath and does even more damage.... to cycling. That sport is so full of cheaters from the top to the bottom. I want to see just how far up the chain the cheaters go. Tell the truth. Expose it all. And let the sh#t fly.
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nah000
Mountain climber
canuckistan
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Jan 18, 2013 - 11:35am PT
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in case there are people who saw the interview or the headlines and don't know a few of the intricacies.
any time a question might prove armstrong was part of a larger conspiracy and/or might increase the likelihood that he'll see jail time, he either punted or lied again. in the interview:
1. he says he didn't actually threaten or fire people who wouldn't use ped on his team. reality is his contract gave him this power and there are multiple cyclists who have gone on record saying they were threatened and/or fired by lance himself.
2. he punted on the question of whether betsy andreu had been telling the truth. why? because he's already lied in court testimony about this and in all likelihood his lawyers have advised him against talking about this to try and keep him out of jail or save him some money.
3. he said he never bribed the uci or had them cover up the 2001 tour of switzerland doping infractions. too much smoke surrounding this to still find this believable. hamilton and landis have testified to the contrary, there was indeed a donation of $125k just after this allegedly happened, and the lab head saugy admits to meeting with lance armstrong [saugy denies it was to help armstrong circumvent epo tests, but then also says "it's a fundamental right for the sportsmen to know the scientific basis of an analysis"].
4. he claims not to have doped in 2009 or 2010. at this point i'll take scientific analysis that says he has a one in a million chance of not cheating in 09/10, over someone who's still punting and lying.
if you want an emotional summary of some of the above here is betsy andreu:
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2013/01/18/ac-armstrong-andreu-reacts-to-intv.cnn
tl;dr lance armstrong, once again, did liestrong.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jan 18, 2013 - 11:36am PT
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The news clips of these backstabbing, small, jealous little weasels getting on national news and "naming names" made me cringe.
They were all doing the exact same thing, the only difference was the outcome on race day. Why all the names? Jealousy.
These team handmaids were the most disgusting.
I would have preferred a 10 minute "map room" confession over an epic 1.5 hr commercial filled sh#t show.
I have never watched Opra before. Why is she so successful? She is an absolutely terrible and incompetent interviewer.
What good would an epic list of names be, why are people so interested, and what gives them the right to even know? Another list will replace them.
The answer is in testing - which is constantly improving - and busting people when they can - not some f*#k-tarded public court of inquiry.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Jan 19, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
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Well, I just watched the entire interview with Oprah.
I don't see how his mea culpa could've been any stronger. It seemed to me he was candid and he's begun to hold himself accountable. We're human, we can get caught up in things. It seems to me this is what happened to him.
People have done way worse things in our history, even recently. Since his acts didn't affect me personally - I have no dog in this fight - I choose to save my worst adjectives and nouns (some of which I've read here and on the web) for way worse scoundrels in the world.
The fact remains. He recovered from Stage 3 cancer. He's a Stage 3 cancer survivor. Along with this is a survivor story, his survivor story, that has inspired many (cancer patients and their loved ones) and will continue to inspire many. This shouldn't be forgotten among the rest.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 19, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
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Why do some of you people still support this guy?
His lies have hurt people.
he has hurt people deliberately..., financially, reputation wise, etc, he is just a scumbag and there are still some of you how think he is, alright.
Unbelievable. You people need to look in the mirror at yourselves.
Lance Armstrong screwed people, and it appears that some of you think that is okay. Sad. Very sad.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 19, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
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Stupid Americans saying he's a cancer survivor.
He didn't survive anything.
He spread his cancerous self onto everything he touched .......
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 19, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
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Werner
+1 ^^^
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 19, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
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Armstrong ruined people's lives for financial gain. Don't some of you get it?
He ruined people's lives. And some of you still look on him as some sort of hero.
And look behind the books of Livestrong. Who profitted?
There are better way to support cancer victims.
I lost my closest brother on May 18 to cancer and two good cousins last year as well and my sister to breast cancer in 2011.
And there are people on this forum who are battling cancer. What the f*ck has Armstrong, worth around $125m, done for any of them of them?
He profited from his cheating and he profited from his so-called cancer charity, maybe helping a couple of sufferers.
How in the world can some of you still support the scumbag?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 19, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
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The biggest "I dont give a f*#k" ever!!!!
Can we move on now?
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