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Plaidman
Trad climber
South Slope of Mt. Tabor, Portland, Oregon, USA
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Sep 22, 2012 - 01:33am PT
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^^^^
Keep trying different meetings. They all have their own vibe. Also try other towns in your area. Get to meetings early and stay late. Most of the people that really have the real stuff are usually the ones that are involved in the group. Just a couple of suggestions.
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Kenygl
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Sep 22, 2012 - 07:09am PT
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Ditto what the plaidster said. Dude we'd most likely be friends;)Heading to my favorite meeting in 3 hours. Good sh#t.
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Kenygl
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Sep 22, 2012 - 07:13am PT
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Oh yeah, when my wife went to Alanon (I was..let's say, difficult to read) our relationship went into hyperdrive. We deal with our stuff, we own our crap, and we are at peace with our shortcomings. Life's better when 100% of the team is working on recovery. But sometimes 50% has to do.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Sep 22, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
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Happi, that's a great story! But I got you beat, I've made multi-thousand dollar purchases in a total, complete, burroughs-worthy blackout. I guess when we're on a run we have a tendancy to take our resources, both personal and financial and spiritual and psychological, right to the limit, wherever it may be. Lord knows I should be dead a gazillion times over from my climbing debacles while unroped and wasted. I've driven half of my oldest friends into alanon. Oh well, WTF, life goes on. I get to take my daughter to the movies this evening. She's 12 going on 20. So sorry we didn't get to climb in josh this spring, but my life was epic at that point. Maybe the gunks this fall? I owe some freinds on the Vinyard a visit..!
PS yeah I know our screw-ups are not supposed to be a competition...but when you wake up with a $3000 charge on your debit card and you have no clue what you purchased...well, I'm just sayin'...
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Michelle
Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Oct 23, 2012 - 07:33pm PT
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It's tough today. I started trauma work for the MST and decided sober was the best shot at success. Just sayin.
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mountain dog
Trad climber
over the hills and far away
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Oct 23, 2012 - 09:09pm PT
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Good luck Michelle. Hang tough and do what you need to do.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 23, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
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Hang tough! the flavored seltzers work well for me. Fizzy and some good natural flavor but no sugar or calories.....
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Oct 23, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
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five months sober as of today.
This time last year I was regularly finishing 18 packs, drinking at least a 12 pack a day. Throwing hard alcohol in sometimes. Not to mention healthy puffs of herb. I fell down lots walking back to my campsite at jtree sometimes with injuries the next morning(no serious injuries its a MIRACLE).Luckily for me I wasn't a violent or mean drunk but I still have a few a-hole moments that I'm not proud of
I was able to do it cold turkey. I moved that was a big help none of my friends are here to offer me something and no one even knows that I was a drunk.
Everybody loves to party but when you need to party everyday like I did it's hard to keep it from being a problem.
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Kenygl
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Oct 23, 2012 - 11:34pm PT
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Good going. Keep tight to your support, not many do it alone.
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Michelle
Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Oct 24, 2012 - 03:01am PT
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Thanks. I go on and off. Life is good but frankly, could be better. Not worth it anymore.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Oct 25, 2012 - 05:22pm PT
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So I'm curious what people think about non-alcoholic beer. I considered buying some of this the other day, and didn't because it just seemed like it would either make me really crave a real, better tasting beer, or it would be a slippery slope kinda thing.
My uncle quit drinking in his late 20s due to it acting as a trigger for his epilepsy (at least that's what they said at the time, no idea about the medical validity of that), and he went the Non-alc beers route. Seemed to work for him, but I don't think he had a dependence to start with.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Oct 25, 2012 - 05:31pm PT
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^ ^
I've been a beer drinker for many years--sometimes far more than promotes optimum health!
I like non-alcoholic beer and go through phases of drinking it regularly and phases of not drinking it at all. From talking to other people, I can tell I'm in the minority: most people don't like it. But I don't like sweet drinks too much, and the tart, mildly beer like flavor is sometimes better tasting than water.
It doesn't make me crave real beer, but again, YMMV
I like the brand Clausthaler significantly better than any other I've tasted.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Oct 25, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
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I think Non-alcohol is a good subbie for beer unless you're hanging out with a bunch of drunks. Then you just wanna kick someone in the nuts.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 25, 2012 - 06:45pm PT
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A tastes like crap.
B tastes too much like real crappy beer to be a good idea for this recovered drunk
C too many calories.
Ihad a friend who tried that route. He ended up knocking back 30 Odouls a day and feeling like crap and spending just as much money so he said screw it and went back to 30 packs of the real thing...
The new seltzers are amazeing. Zero calories, zero sodium, all natural flavors and a nice punch with the carbonation.
YMMV
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 25, 2012 - 07:06pm PT
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Harrison gave me an o'douls at facelift and at the time it reay hit the spot and tasted great! But I haven't felt compelled to get more. For a while, when it was hot here in Moab, I had a serious seltzer water thing going on, but now that it's in the fifties, that compulsion seems to be back burner till next spring.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Oct 25, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
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I drink non alkies as well.
I like the amber version of Odoul's. When I can get it, my favorite is a German non alcoholic beer called Schofferhoffer. Very good, but they don't sell it or import it, to the States.
Drinking non alcoholic beer doesn't give me any desire to drink a real one, and I can go with or without them. I actually really enjoyed the taste of beer at one time, especially craft brews. Back when I was still a "normie" that meant more to me then getting a buzz on. And there are a few non alcoholics that are pretty decent in the taste department.
I really wouldn't recommend it for everyone though. It depends on your program and yourself - for some this would just create too easy of a stepping stone back to the real thing.
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Stevee B
Mountain climber
Oakland, CA
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Oct 25, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
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No opinion but a personal story. Many years ago myself and another friend in recovery were out with friends Apres-ski at mexican food. Everyone else ordered beers, we both ordered O'douls. I was about 3 years sober, he about 1 year sober at the time.
After finishing our O'douls we both agreed, "hey those were good, I'll have another!". For some reason a voice in my head said "don't do it" so I changed my mind and declined. He had another, no biggie.
He relapsed a few months after that, and when he was trying to get sober again two years later, he shared with me that he thought that the craving switch was flipped at our O'douls drinking episode years prior, that it started him thinking about drinking again, until he did.
I tend to think there were other factors that may have led him back to drinking, but that's all personal opinion. His version of the story has been enough to keep me from ever drinking another one, that coupled with my instant reaction of "yes please, more."
I like the La Croix seltzers a lot. I also homebrew some ginger ale that is miiiiiighty tasty!
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Oct 25, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
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fwiw, my dad calls it "teasing his disease". He did drank them when he was weaning, but felt like it was part of a behavior habit that he needed to break along w/ the chemical habit. I'm sure it's fine for some. Maybe it's meaningful that you're concerned about it?
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mountain dog
Trad climber
over the hills and far away
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Oct 25, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
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Good insight to the mind here. Thanks for the true stories.
You know what is going on in my skull people.
Trying to grasp something solid.
Slip slidi'n away.
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