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couchmaster
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pdx
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Lovesgas said: "I'll leave Riley and Joe to their love of insults, fantasy worlds, and Statist Propaganda."
The rest of us did that a long time back. I don't read what Jhedge even writes any more.
Oh, and Nick, no need to be insulting Lovesgas, you are only displaying your ignorage in not being able to formulate an opinion if your best argument is a personal attack.
Nick Goldsmith tried to argue: "Loves gasoline is a gapeing asshat " But clearly more intelligent and also a better person (as he didn't resort to such) than you if that's your best argument.
Truthfully, we might not even know the 1/2 of this story. Its a lot of speculation on everyones part upthread.
Best to all
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WBraun
climber
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The president, the head of the NSA, and many experts have told us plenty if we are willing to read and study.
Keep listening to them as they spin this in such a way to convince you stupid sheep to come inside for your intellectual slaughter.
Man you people are stupid ......
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WBraun
climber
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Hedge has Stockholm Syndrome, feels intense fear of physical harm and believes all control is in the hands of his (tormentor) which he deludedly believes is his protector ......
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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delusions of grandeur...Russia gave him the boot because he didn't have sh#t.
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WBraun
climber
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Hedge -- "How about letting paranoia over your phone records overwhelm your common sense?"
See how crazy you talk Joe.
I haven't used a phone in 40 years.
You've become a tin foil hatter nutcase.
You're so crazy you make sh!t up here every day about people on these politard threads and project all your stupid crazy politard garbage at them daily.
Take a vacation Joe and get your sanity back .....
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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dude has to make himself look important, fluff it up a little, so someone will be interested in taking him in. He played his hand like a tool, and now he's screwed. Bullshitter who played the wrong game.
Anyone who doesn't think phone records have been monitored since the advent of phones is delusional.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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does anyone actually believe Snowden was sitting in a Moscow airport in transit? That may be the most ridiculous thing ever ...lol... At least to anyone who has flown internationally
Riley, here's the last picture I took of Ben Reid before the KGB took him to
the 'transit hotel' at Sheremyetovo* where he spent the next two or three days.
His crime? Trying to enter the USSR without a visa.
This was a few minutes before when USSR Speed Climbing Champion Sergei ?
got his butt chewed out big time for trying to sweet talk the KGB officer.
*Somewhere I have a picture of the 'hotel' with the bars on the windows.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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using its release as black mail for his own safety stating it will be released if anything happens to him
Riley, Glenn Greenwald says Snowden has already given everything he has to the press, and press editors are now determining what the news scoops are and how info will be released. His value as a spy is not great, and he's just a source of political problems wherever he goes.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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You guys need to start admitting that this isn't just about your phone logs.
I for one never said it was about my phone logs. It's about all phone logs, and more.
Greenwald says, "I will say that there are vast programs, both domestic and international spying, that the world will be shocked to learn about, that the NSA is engaged in with no democratic accountability and that's what driving our reporting."
If you think it's cool that the power-elite knows everything everybody says and does, then you don't have much of an imagination for how that knowledge can be abused.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Hedge, remember Plame, and how the Admin didn't do squat to punish those who leaked?
Fast forward to Obama, who gave a pass to the previous Admin's corruption and treasonous behavior. What does that make Obama?
You throw the word "traitor" around pretty easily. But when a whistleblower exposes wrongdoing by the Gov't (think Manning and the collateral murder video), you have no gut go call the one you support corrupt.
Previously, Joe, you said that you couldn't tell if Snowden was set up by the NSA to release the 'secrets' as a sort of smokescreen. But then you got down on DMT when he said he deosn't believe a word the spy agency claims because, after all, they lie for a living.
Our allies aren't too happy about what the NSA is doing. But I suppose that's OK for you, because you know in your heart that they are actually doing it to protect you.
Personally, I don't buy it. In the Occupy movement, where thousands rallied against corporate control and the fleecing of the middle class (and the hoarding of the money by the elite), we could see very clearly. The police/military did not come to protect the people. They were there to protect the elite.
What on earth makes you think this is any different? Bogymen with bombs? I, for one, don't buy it.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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On a semi-related note:
Texas Woman Indicted Over Ricin Letters to Obama
OK, here's where the rubber meets the road. They tracked down this woman within weeks (after very quickly identifying another suspect, and subsequently letting him go). In the Boston bombings, the authorities very quickly had front-page pictures showing the suspects.
These are the things that give the populace the idea that perpetual surveillance is acceptable. We catch all the wrongdoings before they happen. And if we miss, we'll certainly catch them after they've done it.
What could be wrong with that?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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American intelligence and government officers have said this is the most damaging intelligence leak in history.
damaging politically? yes. barry is not looking good. and of course, our neighbors and good friends (Euro Union) are not happy that the NSA is slinking around recording everyone.
our policians are embarrassed as they should be.
damaging? the only thing damaging thats been released is warnigns to all the terrorists that they might be recorded, emails trascked etc. if they were smart at all they already knew that.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Not a single executive was charged with a crime.
thats DAMAGING. on an incomprehesible scale as compared to snowdens revelations.
damaging is when corporate america pulls teh strings and teh politards and elected officials are the puppets....thats what is damaging.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Here's what I'm hearing from you guys:
you hear what you want to hear. you are the equivalent of a liberal teabagger.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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I'm pretty annoyed with our government spying on it's citizens.
This past Saturday, my Latina friend called me from her home in Panama. The caller ID was 'US Government'
I actually started a thread about it here, but it mysteriously vanished.
So, my calls are being monitored. I've got nothing to hide. It still annoys me though.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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I'm betting his security clearance isn't sh#t
apparently violating the terms of his SC was enough to really piss off POTUS. thats worth something.
you guys still dont get it. if the government is going to do embarrassing things....if they are going to do illegal things in friendly foreign countries (Germany did not authorize NSA to steal their records), then for gods sakes be smart enough not to get caught.
i have worked on quite a few highly secure military installations. you want to know the intelligent security questions I got? when I had a review of a presentation meant for the general public conducted, security said I could not use a picture that I obtained from Google Earth which mapped out the Base. I told them it was out there, on the internet. didnt matter. then i had a picture of a secure facility. they would not allow that even though it had been on the front page of the newspaper two weeks previously.
Intelligence does not equal intelligent.
and in this case, we have a problem how an analyst was vetted, we have a problem with the information that analyst obtained, and we have a problem with POTUS and VP not even being consistent in their communications. pathetic.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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"Every breath you take
And every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
Ill be watching you" -NSA
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WBraun
climber
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Maybe we should put up all the US people who were blackmailed, murdered and had their lives fuked over by the NSA.
How they used it to fuk America royal and start all those wars.
But Hedge doesn't have clue about any of it.
He's too busy being the MSM version of a talking head.
He wouldn't have the first clue where to find the info.
He's too busy sucking up to Obama's and prior Bush's stupid corrupt handlers.
Disgraceful, pathetic and cowardly UNAMERICAN ....
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Sad day. Snowden is f*cked.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Joe, here's you putting words in my mouth:
Here's you: "My gov't is treating me like a terrorist, therefore the terrorists shouldn't be treated like terrorists, or anything done to stop them, because 'I don't buy it'.
I didn't say any of that. But you knew that, right? Because you know as well as I, if the US gov't treated me like a terrorist, I wouldn't be typing. So piss off with your stupid mental mockery jack-off.
And yeah, I do remember Bush saying he'd stop at nothing until the one who leaked Plane's name was behind bars. Because you remember so well, perhaps you can tell me how many days Libby spent behind bars for perjury.
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