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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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They won't care.
70K violations found on background checks, about half convicted felons stopped from purchasing a firearm
only 4000 deemed worthy of investigation
only 200 prosecutions.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/234173.pdf
good point, now hand over control of your healthcare to the govt because they do everything so well...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Ron, it is good to see that you are an advocate of breaking the law with respect to guns, as in the case of the British guy who killed the guy who was not threatening him. (ooops!)
Of course, he could have done what any rational person could have done, which was to call the police.
If he had fear, he could have bought a dog. Many people do that.
He could have had an alarm.
Pepper spray would have been very effective in this situation!
He could have blasted a horn. I've heard that burglars don't like loud noises, for some reason.
Instead of opening his door, he could have LOCKED his door.
Gosh, don't they teach cops about these things?????
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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What is with that spammer and their phone spams?
barthenson burn in hell!
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Ken
"No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
---Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776. "
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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the NYTimes had an interesting OpEd piece this morning by David Coles,
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/02/opinion/who-pays-for-the-right-to-bear-arms.html
I'm sure it has not real relevance in this "discussion" where people who have guns want to keep them claiming that it really is no problem for people to have an object whose sole purpose is to project a fatal strike.
But the article reminded me of a bit of history, which actually led to Gov. Regan signing in the most stringent gun laws of the nation at that time... and that was the Black Panthers arming themselves for rebellion, obviously exercising their 2nd Amendment Rights in a bid to overthrow a tyrannical government that was oppressing members of their community.
The article quips that perhaps the best way to get gun control laws passed in state legislatures is to remind people of these times... and times just after the Civil War where the Southern states passed a raft of gun control laws out of fear of the whites that the blacks would arm themselves, legally.
The article actually makes the point that there is a cost to having essentially free access to guns and that that cost is borne by the inner city poor, but that is not something that will have any sympathy from those on this forum advocating for the continued unrestricted access to lethal force.
Here is the original intent of the Founding Fathers?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Hey Ron. I was in your hood the other day... lost my brand new S&W 9mm semiauto, which I legally acquired of course but did not register... I was pretty upset, until I "found" $1500 and a couple fresh tamales in a brown paper bag. All in all it was a pretty good day. I have no idea why anyone would want tighter gun regulations, it will only hurt us good Americans who love guns... and tamales.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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And another unanswered question.
Why is Ron so gullible?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Sorry Ed, if you want to ban guns so that inner city Blacks stop killing each other, I'm not with you. Any thoughts on how educating these future model citizens better would be a better path?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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To this day, with the Soviet Union now dead 21 years, with a whole generation born and raised to adulthood without the SU, we are still denied our basic and traditional rights to self defense. Why? We are told that everyone would just start shooting each other and crime would be everywhere....but criminals are still armed and still murdering and to often, especially in the far regions, those criminals wear the uniforms of the police.
Pravda, truth indeed.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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First paragraph of the article:
"These days, there are few few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bare arms and use deadly force to defend one's self and possessions."
I'm glad I have the right to bare arms. Long sleeve shirts on hot days are awful here.
Diction error aside, though, it certainly reflects a perspective rather different from most of ours.
John
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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For those of us fighting for our traditional rights, the US 2nd Amendment is a rare light in an ever darkening room. Governments will use the excuse of trying to protect the people from maniacs and crime, but are in reality, it is the bureaucrats protecting their power and position. In all cases where guns are banned, gun crime continues and often increases. As for maniacs, be it nuts with cars (NYC, Chapel Hill NC), swords (Japan), knives (China) or home made bombs (everywhere), insane people strike. They throw acid (Pakistan, UK), they throw fire bombs (France), they attack. What is worse, is, that the best way to stop a maniac is not psychology or jail or "talking to them", it is a bullet in the head, that is why they are a maniac, because they are incapable of living in reality or stopping themselves.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Ed,, so by saying the Black Panthers have free access to guns , gun laws will somehow help that situation?
that wasn't my response, that was the response of the California State Government to the legal acquisition and possession of guns by the Black Panthers, the tightening of gun laws in the state, by a republican governor who you might have thought would have had a different view on liberties. His response apparently took into account just who should have liberties, and his conclusion was: not everyone.
His response, following the logic of some gun liberty advocates on this thread, could have been to tell everyone to arm themselves in self-defense. This would have fueled an "arm race" in which various factions made sure that they could counter the perceived threat of other factions with enough fire power to be a deterrent.
It is obvious (and it is obvious) that this is not a tenable position to take. The increase in arms leads to the use of arms in these situations, as it has in the inner city where arms are available and used. The better position is disarmament, which is what Gov. Regan essentially signed into law as an inducement to avoid an unnecessary diversion of law enforcement into a position of having to arm themselves in protection against all factions.
Right now the law enforcement organizations are spending money countering the proliferation of weapons that threaten the law enforcers, these are funds that do not go into other, perhaps more effective, means of law enforcement which do not require the use of lethal force, nor the confrontations involving lethal force.
I don't advocate for the current situation in which the inner city is left to govern itself by the use of easily available lethal force. The ease at which weapons are acquired, and the difficulties in enforcing the existing laws, should not be allowed to continue.
Tracking the evidentiary pathways of gun acquisition, e.g. by use of taggants in ammunition and weapon identification have been vociferously opposed by gun advocates as a potential infringement on their rights.
But let's remember that acts of rebellion are by nature illegal, certainly extra-legal, as they represent the act of a group against the prevailing government, which is installed, at least in this country, by the legal processes outlined in the Constitution. While acts of rebellion may eventually be seen as necessary, they cannot be viewed as legal.
One cannot read the 2nd Amendment as a license to engage in illegal activities, as rebellion would be.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Whatever, I bought it for just under $650 with tax and everything. I'd say $850 (plus 2 tamales) is pretty good for "losing" something. Besides, "those people" are really nice.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Ron, you have 'questions' because you want desperately to believe it was a conspiracy to take your guns.
You've already asked some stupid questions an ex-LEO should have known the answer, like why was another adult handcuffed at a chaotic event.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Yeah, the motto may be to protect and serve, but the truth is that they can't be everywhere and a cop's traditional role is to deal with the mess.
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dave729
Sport climber
Placer
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Taggants! a crazy idea from the past discredited but comes up now and then. The well meaning gun control busy bodies cannot wrap their minds around the concept that criminals do not obey laws. No matter how many they pass.
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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From TGT's post:
This was, of course, when we were free under the Tsar.
WTF. Since when are serfs free? Nobody was "free" under the czar. The first of many inane statements.
Various armies, such as the Poles, during the Смута (Times of Troubles), or Napoleon, or the Germans even as the Tsarist state collapsed under the weight of WW1 and Wall Street monies, found that holding Russian lands was much much harder than taking them and taking was no easy walk in the park but a blood bath all its own. In holding, one faced an extremely well armed and aggressive population Hell bent on exterminating or driving out the aggressor.
The Germans didn't seem to have much trouble holding Russian lands after the Brest-Litvosk treaty, according to the histories I've read. Is there information to the contrary?
If it had not been for Washington's clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently.
Is that why we sent the American Expeditionary Force North Russia to fight the Red Army? Because we supported them?
There is a lot of desire to bad mouth the Tsar, particularly by the Communists, who claim he was a tyrant, and yet under him we were armed and under the progressives disarmed.
This guy sounds like some monarchist apologist. Guess what, TGT, we kicked out the conservatives beloved George III a long time ago. That's mot gonna fly here.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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I said it was an,
Interesting perspective from an unlikely source.
How "progressive" of you to try to put words in someone else's mouth.
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