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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jul 25, 2013 - 12:45am PT
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Ed says, "but maybe I missed something"
Yes apparently you have missed reams of science papers by astrophysicists offering mechanisms with possible effects far beyond the measly 0.1 TSI variance accounted for in the farsical IPCC models. To begin with the 0.1 variance comes from satellite observation during the most pronounced solar maximum in 8000 years which just happened to coincide with the 77-98 run up in global temps. Their is some indication, from interpretation by serious astrophysicists, that their was as much as a 0.4 difference in TSI from the depths of the little ice age to the late twentieth century.You take this level of variance over decades and it adds up. Second the UV spectrum varies by up to 6-8 % during the typical cycle and energetic flares aimed earthward can easily double this value. Ozone in the stratosphere intercept this radiation but not without some of the energy being transferred down into the troposphere affecting atmospheric circulation. Other solar mechanisms of climate change the IPCC GCM's ignore are very pronounced variations in the energy and velocity of the solar wind and magnetic flux and its affects in increased/reduced radiation at the poles. Not to mention the increase/reductions of the solar magnetic field and the rate of earthward cosmic ray bombardment and subsequent rates of cloud nucleation resulting in albedo changes in the 2% range. The Sun is the primary driver of climate change on planet Earth. For the GCM's to not explore all its effects and range of variation is a crime but the only way they could attribute CAGW and the mythical molecule CO2 properties and production as primarily human caused. And this doesn't even begin to go into the oceanic currents and oscillations, volcanisms, windblown particulates, galactic dust variability in our slow revolution around the galactic center, etc. etc.
Bruce, if you can't refrain from trash talking your vile line of shet perhaps it is time for a breather for you. You have been treated respectfully regardless of your hardline-return the favor.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 25, 2013 - 01:11am PT
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^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Jul 25, 2013 - 02:22am PT
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Ed wrote:
You are correct in your statement that the sun has the largest effect on the climate, though... it's variations are not sufficient to explain the climate changes we are observing.
And, AFAIK, they aren't sufficient to explain the RATE of changes we are observing.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 25, 2013 - 09:53am PT
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Right on Bruce.
That's why my usual response to willfully ignorant, Chief Running Mouth is the humping puking dogs. That's about all he deserves.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2013 - 10:39am PT
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Yeah. According to the way ED wants you to read it.
The thing is, The Chief, nobody has been able to refute "the way ED wants you to read it."
But please, go ahead and try to show us where Ed's analysis is wrong.
This is what Ed does, he shows us where you are wrong. Now see if you can do that with what Ed writes.
We'll be waiting ...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jul 25, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
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Ed, i've got to hand it to you. You know, you would make one hell of a sci-fi writer, perhaps of the caliber of Arthur C. Clarke. This fiction you perpetuate here is outstanding, the way you take disparate information from multitudes of sources, analyze, twist and contort to weave into advancement of this CAGW narrative is monumental. Galactic cosmic rays is a small effect. I read the CLOUD article-it did attribute a pronounced cloud nuclei effect to GCR, it just didn't attribute the gathering or forming of this nucleation effect into clouds as a result. But is not a proliferation of cloud nuclei an aerosol capable of deflecting solar radiation from earths surface? Contrary to what you claim their has been significant study of this effect by Svensmark and Christiansen. Talk of GCR alone is a diversion, i mentioned a half dozen solar effects, GCR being just a small contributory. The biggest effect is variation in TSI over periods of decades and how that energy is stored in the oceans and distributed by oceanic currents and mixed in oscillations, then released into regions of the globe or absorbed into the deep oceans. Of equal or greater effect is the parts of the solar spectrum, magnetic flux, and variations of solar wind ignored by IRCC in favor of the bogus TSI index. Once again their is significant study going on this field also- Shapiro, Abdussmatov, Shaviv, Lu, Ushokin etc. etc. The truth is slowly coming out.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 25, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
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No wonder you love that ignorant ditz from wasilla.
Rick, people like you are the problem.
Ignorant, arrogant loudmouths who think they know everything.
Stoopid fool.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Jul 25, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
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It is believable that you Dick and your 3% are the only ones barking up the the" solar effects "tree.
And then you insist we are on our last leg.
You and yours are great Comedy.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jul 25, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
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Dirtbag, i assume you are a natural born woman, but maybe i'm wrong, maybe you are a S.F. muni employee who took advantage of the "transformation" medical benefit required of their insurers. At any rate, i liked your doggie cartoon and i assumed you are the front dog- what do they call those- oh yeah bitch. Don't try to think dear, get new batteries for your vibrator and turn on your MSNBC for your marching orders.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 25, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
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Maybe you should stfu about science and let the experts do their jobs.
You are both arrogant and ignorant. Again, you are the problem fooktard.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 25, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
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And psst...hate to break it to you sport, but you're not that smart.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Jul 25, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
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More C02 emits outta her mouth than her ass
Unlike the idiotic science-blind ignoramuses here whose heads are shoulder deep.
(Methane, not CO2 is the predominant gas from the south end of the digestive tract...)
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Jul 25, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
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The ole ,1 2 3.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jul 26, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
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Chiloe have you heard of the CLAW hypothesis or Lindzens Iris effect. I know they are ancient history and the CAGW community of religious zealots think they have been thoroughly refuted. However=, in light of the spectacular model failures and fizzling of one hysterical prediction after another perhaps the community should dust off some old science that can explain the pause and decline. I can see a sliver of hope for your guys to achieve a graceful exit with the new solar effect studies combined with a combination of the type of hypothesis i listed above.
Dirtbag, after thinking about it i extend my apologies to you. I lost my temper because of your dogged sniping. Please excuse me.
Bruce you must have been writing simultaneous to me. I haven't done much more than glance at it but will look and respond after work this evening.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 26, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
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Does it feel righteous to you Rick?
when you completely fail at refuting the climate change scientific community's work?
when all you got left is sitting in a corner alone and insisting that two plus two equals five
"sticking to your guns" is a better way of going through life than having the intelligence to both recognize, admit, and then, horrors, change what you are so wrong on?
like your moronic vote for Caribou Barbie to be one heartbeat away from being Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces?
Oh, Wasilla
you and her, both towers of intellect, deserve each other
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jul 26, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
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I know they are ancient history and the CAGW community of religious zealots think they have been thoroughly refuted.
Rick, you have no clue how much of what you "know" is pure fantasy.
perhaps the community should dust off some old science that can explain the pause and decline.
You haven't paid any attention at all, have you? For example to the video I just posted, or the squiggly line graph that Ron needed acid to stare at, just a page or so back.
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raymond phule
climber
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Jul 26, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
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CAGW community of religious zealots ... fizzling of one hysterical prediction after another ... I can see a sliver of hope for your guys to achieve a graceful exit
The most fashinating thing with this thread is that people actually try to discuss things with someone that use that kind of rhetoric in most of his posts.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jul 26, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
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It's time for some geoengineering. Let's clean up the place.
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raymond phule
climber
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Jul 26, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
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I guess youve missed the VILE posts directed Ricks way throughout this thread then? Hes being close to a saint with his responses..
Calling an ignorant person ignorant is not really the same thing as talking about a world wide conspiracy among scientists. Claiming victory all the time is neither a good rhetoric.
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