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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Jul 24, 2013 - 09:29am PT
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Easy on the nail pounders please.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Jul 24, 2013 - 11:40am PT
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Yep.
Probably pretty good on a steep roof also.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jul 24, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
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Yeah, Ed is a good man with a keen analytical mind and a gift for writing in a clear concise manner. He could teach us lowly nail pounders many things we could never understand about the natural world around us on our own. Unfortunately though, he's hitched his horse to the wrong wagon here. The wheels are coming off and the new natural world models are passing him by. Thanks a lot Bruce for your good cheer. Time to go back to slumber till their is something more substantial to argue.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 24, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
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^^^^^ Christ, what an idiot. ^^^^^
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Paul Martzen
Trad climber
Fresno
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Jul 24, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
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Funny analogy Dingus.
Riley posted the following link on another thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpigok-lVK4
It has a very good explanation of changes in the jet stream that account for both unusually cold weather as well as unusually hot weather. As the arctic warms there is less temperature difference between the arctic and the tropics so the air flow between slows down a bit. This results in a slower jet stream. Like on a slower river, the bends and loops of the jet stream become larger and slower. The air in the jet stream flows from west to east, but the waves, bends and loops of the jet stream also gradually move from west to east. As the air slows down, the bends get larger and move slower.
The jet stream forms a dividing line between hot tropical air on the south side and cold air on the north side. With larger bends in the jet stream, hot air gets to move much further north where the jet stream bends further north and cold air gets to move much further south where the jet stream bends much further south. Since the bends of the jet stream are moving slower, the unusual weather remains for much longer in each location.
This explains how rather large changes in local weather can result from fairly small changes in average temperature.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Jul 24, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
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To continue Rick Sumner's analogy: he himself is hitched to a Hot Wheel.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jul 24, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
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Rick's ideology makes him science-proof, no need for him to read, understand or engage a single word that Ed wrote. Or Tricouni wrote, for that matter. But Ed does a brilliant job day after day, helped by others, showing and telling how science works for the benefit of readers with minds less tightly nailed shut.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jul 24, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
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On a more positive note, just looked through the latest issue of Eos and found this:
Tropical storm Sandy was a 1-in-700-year event
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Using information of tropical cyclone tracks for the whole North Atlantic from 1950 to 2010, Hall and Sobel calculated the odds that a similar storm—a category 1 or higher hurricane with an approach angle to New Jersey at least as close to perpendicular as Sandy—could happen again. According to the authors’ statistical model, the occurrence rate of a Sandy- style storm is 0.0014 per year, meaning that if future hurricane activity matches the recent past, a storm like Sandy could be expected on average about once every 700 years.
The fact that Sandy happened, the authors say, means either that New York and New Jersey were very unlucky or that climate change has increased the probability of a Sandy- like storm beyond what they found with their steady- climate statistical model.
(Geophysical Research Letters, doi:10.1002/grl.50395, 2013)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013EO300011/abstract
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jul 24, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
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And from last week's Eos (I'm just catching up), this note:
Decade of climate extremes
The first decade of the 21st century was the warmest decade recorded since modern measurements began around 1850, according to a 3 July report by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). In addition, a pronounced increase in the global temperature occurred over the 4 decades between 1971 and 2010.
The report, The Global Climate 2001–2010: A Decade of Climate Extremes, also noted that the decade of 2001–2010 was marked by dramatic climate and weather extremes, including the European heat wave of 2003; floods in Pakistan in 2010; Hurricane Katrina, which hit the U.S. Gulf Coast in 2005; and long-term droughts in the Amazon Basin, Australia, and East Africa. “Many of these events and trends can be explained by the natural variability of the climate system. Rising atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases, however, are also affecting the climate. Detecting the respective roles being played by climate variability and humanity- induced climate change is one of the key challenges facing researchers today,” the report states.
“WMO’s report shows that global warming was significant from 1971 to 2010 and that the decadal rate of increase between 1991–2000 and 2001–2010 was unprecedented,” said WMO secretary- general Michel Jarraud. “Rising concentrations of heat-trapping greenhouse gases are changing our climate, with far- reaching implications for our environment and our oceans, which are absorbing both carbon dioxide and heat.”
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013EO290003/abstract
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
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This is just too darn funny to not repost:
Unfortunately though, he's hitched his horse to the wrong wagon here. The wheels are coming off and the new natural world models are passing him by.
Hahahaha, the wheels are coming off... What a joke. But what do you expect from a person who can only put value into their preset beliefs.
Rick, time to take a good look at why you believe what you do, because it doesn't seem to be based in the reality as we folks on Earth experience it.
But do carry on, it provides my day with some good chuckles.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jul 24, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
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Ron, what exactly did you say about the jet stream, that earned you accusations of silliness?
Here's something on the general topic that I (and a coauthor) said recently:
"Recent studies explore links between Arctic warming and mid-latitude winters or weather extremes (Screen and Simon 2013), including the dramatic experience of Superstorm Sandy (Greene et al. 2013). Decreased summer Arctic sea-ice extent has been linked to the development of high-amplitude wave patterns during winter, increasing the frequency cold weather outbreaks across the mid-latitudes (Overland and Wang 2010; Francis and Vavrus 2012; Tang et al. 2013). Observations also indicate a connection between amplified wave patterns driven by changes in Arctic climate and increased early winter snowfall, early snow melt, extreme summer heat and drought (Francis and Vavrus 2012; Greene and Monger 2012; Greene et al. 2013; Liu et al. 2012; Petoukhov et al. 2012)."
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 24, 2013 - 05:05pm PT
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you found someone with respected credentials that agrees, Chief!
but even a blind squirrel finds an acorn from time to time....
how does presenting this Judith person magically negate the consensus of the majority of Climate Scientist?
I wanna go to the Island for race week before I croak, Chief..
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Jul 24, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
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“Words of warning wisdom from Real Climate Scientist and not some ST fanatic left wing zealot "Nailers".”
Judith A. Curry is the chairman of the School of Earth and Atmospheric
Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology
She gets her funding from the Koch brothers: Stupid. Spreads disinformation just like you.
Then again maybe they are paying you to spread the disinformation.
Which is it? Stupid or for the Koch brothers.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
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The House of Climate Science Cards are a crumbling.
Wait for the next IPCC report to come out around Sept., and you won't be singing that song, The Chief.
But then again, you'll toss out the whole lot from real climate scientists because what do they know, right?
Good thing the Koch brothers are funding some real research, everybody else is just in it for the money.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 24, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
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Guys, the Chief knows all this
he is just having fun jerking your chains
he agrees with all the findings, he just doesn't agree that humans can or should be doing anything about it, especially given that any resources be better put to use to immediately mitigate human misery
he is trolling for his own entertainment, he has said so
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Jul 25, 2013 - 12:24am PT
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The Chief - study up, dude!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
edit - The Chief (down arrow) - I knew you'd appreciate this :) you do have a sense of humour!
btw. Brutus represented for the E Bay !!! EBMUD, baby!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jul 25, 2013 - 12:29am PT
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Kunlan..Chief smokes his own home grown...?
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Jul 25, 2013 - 12:40am PT
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Bruce, don't waste your time with this guy. Not worth it.
Sorry you didn't make it to the Squam festival on the weekend.
Glenn
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