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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
way, WAY out there....(OMG)
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Jul 22, 2009 - 07:38pm PT
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Not even aspirin.
I had to have some friends smuggle an Olde E & a joint into the hospital.
Friends are good to have.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 22, 2009 - 09:24pm PT
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"But first take care of head"
First off, I am overjoyed that you are still with us Beth!
I'm looking in to one of those Petzl helmets with the twisties on the side. The only modern helmet I can wear for ten minutes without getting a headache. When your head is of a certain size there aren't many choices. I own a halfdome and there is no way I can stand it on my head for longer than the bare minimum that guiding insurance demands.... I've used it for select pitches in the black, and ice climbing belaying...
I used to have an MSR helmet, that sat well above my head like in Fluoride's photo. I never liked it, but it didn't hurt. Damn thieves!
I've had two concussions (neither climbing related) and really don't want to go through that, again...
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2009 - 09:32pm PT
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Laura, it's still bad. Call me I sent it t o your e-mail. My firefigher friend got taken out on a call so if you're around, would love to talk to you and be around someone.
I need a hug. Big time. This headache isn't going away and I don't want to go to work tomorrow. Walking around my apartment is a chore.
I'm giving this until later tonight and if the pain doesn't ease up I'm checking myself into UCLA Med ctr.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Jul 22, 2009 - 10:04pm PT
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Please, if you do not go tonight, call neurologist (brain surgeon) in the morning. Normally in your first visit (the one you already had), you will be there for "observation" for a couple hours and when they release you, they tell you what would warrant coming back in.
Most concussions are minor. Short term loss of memory, and short term pain. Maybe some disorientation, etc.
I had a minor one when I was a kid. I saw a kid get another minor one playing soccer. My son had two "minor" ones. But his third kept him out of ice hockey for a month. He had headaches for a couple of weeks. Probably that is all you have as well, but the downside is terrible.
After that season, he did not play again, because I would not let him play house league which was a condition for travel players. (Even though we had already participated for 10 years, I as coach and referee, and son as player.)
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jul 22, 2009 - 10:08pm PT
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Best wishes, Beth, I hope you're connecting with good people who can help.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 22, 2009 - 10:14pm PT
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Billy Maze died from this kind of thing.
Get to the hospital NOW! Beth!
not wanting to be the fear-monger, but if that is what it takes to get you to go it's worth it.
Don't screw around with this.
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dogtown
climber
Cheyenne,Wyoming
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Jul 22, 2009 - 10:26pm PT
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Wow yeah, Beth glad your alright hate helmet's but I do wear them time to time when I climb with Sims. I never been peppered with more stone from above anytime than climbing with him Colorado National Monument. One piece he pulled off a helmet wouldn’t done much good, I was as big as a 24’’ TV.
Bruce.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jul 22, 2009 - 10:40pm PT
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Beth
You should get to the hospital. . .NOW!
You could have a subdural hematoma, which could
be literally curtains!
I hope it's just a concussion, but you need to be
under observation, seriously.
Wishin for good results.
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Zander
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Jul 22, 2009 - 10:56pm PT
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Hi Beth,
Wishing you the best,
Zander
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 22, 2009 - 11:24pm PT
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Laura hasn't posted since 4:30 today. (Edit: And Beth since 6:30.) Are we certain that she knows to go to Beth's, and has made whatever arrangements are needed, e.g. to get in the building/apartment? Beth may be confused about what's going on, so if there's any way to cross check, that would help.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
way, WAY out there....(OMG)
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Jul 22, 2009 - 11:52pm PT
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Relax, & breathe....Folks are on the case, man.
Fluoride's a tough chick, dig it?
I know it's true.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2009 - 12:02am PT
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The amazng "L" as in Laura was over here with me helping me ice up, call me in sick to work (which they were incredulous about!!) and just being an overall amazing human being.
I love you girl. You're an amazing person Laura.
And love you too Jaybro. Sorry my phone died.
I still feel like Hell. Going to go to sleep. At this point it probably won't kill me.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
way, WAY out there....(OMG)
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Jul 23, 2009 - 12:03am PT
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It helped me.
Tough is good.
L.....get someone to come check on ya, after a while.....
Can't hurt.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Mill Valley, CA
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Jul 23, 2009 - 12:10am PT
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Sending you healing vibes, Beth. Please post up when you wake up.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2009 - 12:13am PT
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I went to Cedars on Monday and got a CAT scan. No breakage or bleeding. Just a very bad concussion.
All in good time. Just need to heal now.
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GLee
climber
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Jul 23, 2009 - 12:34am PT
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'I still feel like hell. Going to go to sleep. At this point it probably won't kill me.'
Beth, this is not something to see about in the morning. As someone ,who as a medical technologist, have had doctors tell me how fast changes can turn for the worse with a head injury.
And as a patient with a aneurysm leak, I didn't loose consciousness initially, but did after 5 days because of unrelieved pressure, ending up in ICU before I was able to have the surgery.
My two cents from Montana is for you, Beth, or Laura, if you are still there, to call the UCLA emergency room for a neurological consult NOW. Don't wait. Let them decide about when to come in. This is not something to be leaving until morning.
CALL NOW TO THE ER/NEUROLOGY, TONIGHT, DON'T WAIT TILL TOMORROW
Greg in Missoula
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GLee
climber
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Jul 23, 2009 - 12:51am PT
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Someone in LA needs to call Beth and/or Laura now to follow thru now, IMHO. It's 9:48 pm in LA.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jul 23, 2009 - 12:59am PT
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Greg, with your aneurysm leak, did you have a CAT scan when you were first injured? Beth has had one already which showed no damage. Just wondering, because I have had two serious concussions from playing rugby and with one the headaches lasted almost 2 weeks.
From what I have read, its not the headache itself, but the increase or rapid change in symptoms that is the sign you need to go to a doctor.
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GLee
climber
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Jul 23, 2009 - 01:39am PT
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John,
This was in 1982, and yes I did have a CAT scan once I arrived in Anchorage. Mine was diagnosed in the hospital that I worked at 400 miles west of Anchorage the old fashion way: spinal tap. My guess is that the CAT scan showed a leak, but I don't know. I only play a doctor on TV. They also did inject dye thru my carotids with xray film being exposed to visualize to see if there was more than one aneurysm leaking.
But my concern is that I'm willing to be told by an ER Doctor or Neurologist now that I don't have anything to worry about after a consult (by phone or in person at the hospital), than to wait until tomorrow to do the consult.
This happened Friday, what is happening now doesn't sound good (sleepyness and I feel like hell), and that all of us might feel better if a Taco-ite (who is also a doctor) made comment to Beth/Laura tonight about whether or not Beth should wait til tomorrow, or if it would be better to be sleeping at the hospital tonight for a consult tomorrow.
I'd rather make a foolish trip to the hospital, and be told that I was foolish to come in tonight, than to sleep at home tonight and wait for the morn.
I'd call Beth now. I, as well as all of us, am just concerned.
Crock
Laura may be a doctor, or nurse, and is a concerned friend obviously. But as is said on Public Service ads on TV, time lost between the home and hospital care with a brain injury is brain lost ,at best. But you can't do much at home with a sharp Swiss Army knife, in this case. I'm just concerned.
Greg
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