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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Dec 30, 2008 - 02:09am PT
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Macs: It's not just a computer, its a religion.
APPLE AKBAR!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 30, 2008 - 02:30am PT
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I am a total Mac cult member but to be fair
I've found that while they used to last years and year with no issues, that is no longer the case and I recommend applecare extended warranties for everyone (you'll be sorry if you don't) Gone through 8 book G3 and G4 logic boards in recent years and have a dead g4 quicksilver and dual G5 powermacs sitting under my house.
Joe wrote "buy some kind of warranty like AppleCare when you buy the Mac because they won't sell it to you after you buy it."
I think that's incorrect. You have until your warranty expires (one year) to buy applecare.
And my laptop keyboard letters keep wearing off in crazy short times too. That's BS.
Apple is a great company in many ways and I love how intuitive and esthetic their OS is, but they don't care about you.
Peace
karl
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John Mac
Trad climber
Littleton, CO
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Dec 30, 2008 - 10:56am PT
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I live in the windows and linux world at work but home is a Microsoft free zone.
I switched to macs 4 years ago and haven't looked back. Yes, they cost more but free up so much time, since you're not fixing things all the time. So its really a no brainer.
Buy Applecare. Especially if you buy a notebook. I purchased it during the first year of the warranty to spread the cost. You don't have to do it at the time of buying it.
For applications that will not run on macs I use Vmware Fusion:
http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/
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sunshinedaydream
Trad climber
the big granite bubble
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2008 - 11:05am PT
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Big News.....I joined the cult.... and bought a Mac!
Made the transition in no time! I just turned on my old PC to get my files off and the dinosaur is still loading, or updating, or thinking.. who knows what planet its on!
Thanks for being my back up singers when I made the big purchase..... as always good advice and good commentary!
I really did feel like a kid at Christmas when I walked out of the Apple Store!
SSDD
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Dec 30, 2008 - 11:29am PT
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Is there a theme to this warranty thing? How come every Mac'er feels the need for a warranty?
I would much rather not have to deal with taking my computer, or sending my computer, back anywhere, ever.
I want to move the stuff from the old slow machine to the new fast one and throw the old one out - one time I tried to put linux on an old one, but even that was nasty.
And what is the joy of never rebooting?
The only time my computer ever reboots is power disruption, which happens too often for some reason - trees, weather, ??, or occasionally unattended upgrade over-night.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Dec 30, 2008 - 11:37am PT
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Actually, perhaps the only thing I'd ever buy an aftermarket warranty for is a laptop. Mac or PC doesn't matter. It's too easy for things to go wrong, they are too hard to work on, and parts are more expensive than they are for desktops.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 30, 2008 - 11:53am PT
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Vmware uses a ton of ram. A huge amount to run a virtual operating system.
I's so much easier and efficient to use separate dedicated hard drive than Vmware.
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Daphne
Trad climber
San Rafael, CA
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Jan 10, 2009 - 12:33am PT
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forgive me for resusitating (sp?) a dead horse, but this xkcd comic just had to be put out into tacoland...
http://xkcd.com/528/
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Jan 10, 2009 - 12:48am PT
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Oh, Daphne, you scamp.
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Daphne
Trad climber
San Rafael, CA
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Jan 10, 2009 - 12:59am PT
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well Jay, you're a devotee of mac and I know you know of xkcd.com, so it could have been you doing the above post, as well. scamp on!
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Jan 10, 2009 - 01:10am PT
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Yeah, worked for me.
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ryanb
climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 10, 2009 - 03:32am PT
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The strengths of products like vmware fusion (or parrallels, or crossover or virtual box or wine (last two are free btw)) is that they let you quickly fire up a windows (or linux) app without interrupting your work flow...I can preview a website that i am hosting locally in every major browser and os at the same time on the same machine.
Vmware and parraells even let you use the same windows installation you use for boot camp so you have the option of rebooting into a full session of windows for intensive stuff. I say use whatever tools let you get the job done.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jan 10, 2009 - 10:24am PT
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mother nature just made the switch from windows to mac (she bought a iMac) and she's having a ball with it. I've heard many times "I can see why you love this thing".
One of the things that really frustrates me about Microsoft is their attitude towards "standards". I develop websites and it's rather frustrating to have to view your work on IE. They don't always adhere to ISO standards (preferring their own) so we often have to code extra to accommodate for Internet Exploder.
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monolith
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Jan 10, 2009 - 12:39pm PT
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Another vote here for Vmware Fusion. I tried Parallels as well but Fusion worked with the USB devices I needed for work while Parallels did not.
Try the free download, wait long enough before registering and they will start lowering the price. Mine went from $80 to $60, then finally to $40.
Being able to boot the bootcamp partition in Fusion or complete machine mode is very useful.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Jan 10, 2009 - 12:47pm PT
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yah, but by the time ISO standards are adopted, everybody else has long since been doing it.
Does ECMA script already have two proposed standards beyond the accepted one?
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Anastasia
climber
Not here
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Jan 10, 2009 - 01:27pm PT
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Addressing the question between Mac or a PC...
I can only speak for myself.
If my Mac dies before I can afford a new one... I will still prefer to buy a used Mac model over a brand new PC that has a faster processor and larger hard drive.
That's just my two cents.
AF
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 10, 2009 - 01:54pm PT
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Why Applecare? Because invariably any technology is going to have its faults, regardless of the manufacturer or designer.
Humans are not infallible, so why should we think that the machines we design are?
I work on both Macs and PCs in the office, but I wouldn’t even think of a Windows machine at home.
And for you techno geeks who prefer PCs, get a life. Some of you may even have sons who are arseholes, tell them to get a life too.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Jan 10, 2009 - 02:05pm PT
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"At home I use XP systems exclusively -- not because I'm an MS fanboy, but because it's what I'm used to, and it's a more open, non-proprietary system."
Windows and Microsoft an "open, non-proprietary system"??!! Its anything but! I work as a network systems admin with Windows workstations, Windows 2003 servers and a bunch of Linux (Redhat and CentOS) servers. Windows is basically a pain in the a$$ and Microsoft is terrible at patching vulnerabilities on time. Give me Linux instead anyday, or BSD or Mac OSX.
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justthemaid
climber
Los Angeles
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Jan 10, 2009 - 02:25pm PT
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...after I threw my Mac in the alley and drove it over with my car... well... let's just say it was not so good as a speed bump. Later, I tied a rope around it and it now functions as an excellent anchor for our sail boat. Nice and heavy once it filled up with water.
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Rankin
climber
Bishop, CA
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Jan 10, 2009 - 03:07pm PT
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Changing out hardware on a computer is much easier than working on a car. Applecare seems useless to me for that reason.
Laptops are not solid machines compared to desktops. Mac or PC. The first computer I worked on, in the mid-80s, was an Apple (I was in the 4th grade I think) I have since preferred Mac operating systems for ease and pleasure of use.
Macs are more expensive, but the used markets are pretty sweet, depending on your needs. PC components seem to have really improved, but my G4 is almost ten years old (I bought it used) After some very affordable upgrades, it runs Mac's new OS very well. Not quite as fast in some Apps as my Intel Mac, but hey, how many people are out there running Vista on a 10 year old motherboard?
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