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elcap-pics
climber
Crestline CA
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Sorry lads but I have put in a lot of work to make the ElCap Bridge an icon of the Yosemite climbing scene and will not allow the hormonally driven to ruin the scene there... so you will have to find another place to disrespect.. It is not nice to screw with the Bridge!
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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It seems like the solution to this and many other threads (e.g. fixed ropes at the Cookie) might be to install a plank on the El Cap bridge. Maybe several planks. Pirates could play pirate with it, and even talk like pirates. Real and imaginary ethical transgressors could be made to walk the plank. Some hot tempers might be cooled down. A few fish might get concussions - collateral damage. Some climbers would get a much needed bath. As the only fixed gear would be the plank(s), and there wouldn't be any other impacts, the NPS should be OK with it.
All going well, it would become an attraction at Disney Yosemite. Though don't be counting on the FaceLift crew to clean up any messes. :-)
What's not to like about it?
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Sorry Jody... but the elitists make the rules. Not just in climbing. In life.
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WBraun
climber
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With consequences ......
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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WWABD
WWAHD
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WBraun
climber
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Yes .....
Break the law, and then punishment.
I think you are familiar with that aspect.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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What the wab wah?
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Nixon said, if the president does it, then it's not against the law.
Applies to police too?
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James
climber
not bivying in the boulders Jack
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Cool bold school climber versus law officer. Who will the monkeys support?
Fisticuffs on El Cap bridge! I'll be taking bets...and handing rotten tomatoes to the monkeys. Ha! Classic.
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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What Would Al Bundy Do?
What Would Adrian Burgess Do?
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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hehe. Sort of like WWJD.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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To the original post, I think the traditional climbers to a large extent have been painted with an unfair claim that they are demonizing those with a different view. At one point in time I had read all the SFHD threads, and I could have sworn there were more claimbs of trads being fascists that wanted everyone to climb like, then actual posts by trad climbers stating such, if there were any such posts at all.
Seems to me the most obnoxious posts by were one of the FA party and his buddy basically saying, F you I'll climb what I want, how I want. Anyone that says different is a has been. Critisizing my climbing style is taking food out of my kids mouth.
Personally I'd say folks that have a financial interest in their first ascent, whatever style they claimb have alterior motives that seem to taint how and why they climb, and perhaps how they treat others.
I'm blown away by the thought that the traditional ground up approach is sellfish, I always figured it was the bolt the heck out of every rock to get your name in the guidebooks and climbing mags that was the sellfish aproach.
As an answer to the noble or sellfish question, ask yourself what type of ascent gives you the greatest feeling of fulfillment. My most satisfying climbs were always approached at the base, and climbed w/o falling. Sure I had my share of climbs that were technically more difficult that had a rest or ten, and I never fealt that I could honestly consider that as a valid ascent. I never climbed to brag about the experience, it has always been very personal. And I can't just bs myself, as whats the point?
I know alot of folks just don't understand the traditional approach, as it is anethema to how they lead the rest of their lives.
I really don't care how other people or what floats their boat. But I am very concerned about how the proliferation of fixed anchors in National Parks will affect access to all of us. Especially the F you we'll climb what and how we want attititude and the resulting conflict can have very real consequences. At some point somebody will approach the man, saying something should be done, and it's almost guranteed none of us will like what get's done to us.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Idaho
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Climbers aren't really good fighters, anyway. You can take 'em. Al Bundy would shrug....Adrian might, too, but I dunno. Probably knot.
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WBraun
climber
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Hey Curt
I saw Mulligan take on two big rednecks outside the Mountain Room bar back in the day. Threw one of em down and beat the crap out of him.
Just before they came to blows the big redneck said: "Don't fuk with me as I'm stronger than a bull".
Hahahaha
Ask George Meyers, he was there.
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James
climber
not bivying in the boulders Jack
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Jody,
You implied as much.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Not Al Bundy.
A famous American pair, though.
Highly linked to this topic - given the drift.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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nope
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Maybe the real question is, what would people do if there weren't magazines to spray about their climbs?
The vertical landscape around the planet would be a different place, indeed.
Though I don't know Sean at all, it doesn't really seem to me that his primary motivation was the F&G (fame and glory). But who knows?
Problem is, top-down style + buncha dudes wanting a Hot Flash = potential misuse of the resource.
(yeah, yeah, I know, argument #29, rehashed with a slight twist, yada yada...)
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Owlman
Trad climber
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June 2 is my birthday!!
Is there gonna be a fight at the Bridge??!!
SWEEEEEETTTTTT!!!
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